(urth) Interlibrary Loan

PAUL RYDEEN rydeen at bellsouth.net
Sun Apr 28 07:59:21 PDT 2019

Ok, point taken. I'm still excited to know that I'll be able to read ILL after all, even without Wolfe's final review of the edited text.  

> On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> wrote:
> Of course there has to be an editorial review. I just have a low estimation of the general competence of human beings, and Wolfe’s super tricky use of pronouns makes his final review an essential part of the process now forever cut off. (Ex: my reading of the name many pink butterflies and “they did not know open hands meant no weapons” vs “Mary pink butterflies” and “he did not know open hands meant no weapons” makes my reading of Fifth Head significantly stronger for the Ace edition - and the amount of exegesis devoted to Mary Pink Butterflies, an erroneous change, is quite frankly astonishing. There are three or so other obvious typos fixed in the ace edition, including a beast which is obviously something like 1500 pounds being listed as like 15 pounds in every edition but the Ace, so I am confident in the most pure text.  Hartwell did not understand the blending of character into character in Wizard Knight as part of the dream palimpsest, so years and years ago when I thought about exploring how Setr could be Garvaon in Wizard Knight someone wrote Hartwell to try to prove it was a typo, which Hartwell believed it to be at that point. Nasty time on the list. It wasn’t a typo, though I wouldn’t understand how Gavaon could be Setr until more than a decade later.) The editorial changes to my complete last sentence in Soldier of Mercy made it a nonsensical fragment, which irks me to this day. Of course if I had a lengthier publication history that would fade, but I can probably never expect another Tor or major publishing house one.
> Operation Ares was butchered before Wolfe was a name. I hope to avoid that for his last. 
> However, what was the state of Wolfe’s manuscript?
> This is a consideration I am in no position to judge without reading it about five or six times in a row. 
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2019, PAUL RYDEEN <rydeen at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Marc, I think you just negated your reasons for not wanting to write up ILL.  It sounds like some level of editorial meddling is the norm. 
>> Going back to the gentleman's question, is it even possible to publish a manuscript as submitted with no editing?   Surely there has to be a check for grammar, punctuation, spelling, missing words, etc. 
>>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 9:54 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yeah but having twenty thousand words cut, ten by Wolfe and ten by another editor, sure didn’t help it. 
>>>> On Saturday, April 27, 2019, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 28/04/2019 00:07, Marc Aramini wrote:
>>>>> Operation ares got clusterfucked by tens of thousands of words. They sure butchered the last sentence of my story in the Wolfe tribute anthology lol. Damon knight changed the whole structure of trip trap and Wolfe agreed. Hartwell left well enough alone.
>>>> I've not read it, but my impression is that Operation Ares was generally considered a tyro effort even by Wolfe himself?
>>>> - Gerry Quinn
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