(urth) Typhon's nature

[David Stockhoff]

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On 10/9/2011 8:42 PM, Lane Haygood wrote:
> The Scottish Play, if you please. I'll not have you bringing ill
> fortune on us all.
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> LH
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> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:38 PM, David Stockhoff<dstockhoff at verizon.net>  wrote:
>> A simpler explanation of Typhon's remark is that he was born as Silk was
>> born, i.e., from a surrogate mother.
>>
>> Recall Macbeth, where the witches' prophecy "not of woman born" was
>> fulfilled by a cesarean birth. Surely Typhon outdoes Macduff (we are not
>> much impressed by c-sections today) but probably it doesn't need to be by
>> much. Perhaps he was grown in a vat and "decanted" or even genetically
>> "designed," but he'd still need a human body to parasitize.
>>
>> On 10/9/2011 6:49 PM, larry miller wrote:
>>> In the Sword of the Lictor Typhon says a few things that seems to
>>> indicate an alien origin. He tells  Severian that "I was not born, at
>>> least not in the way you mean it".   Also Typhon says that though he
>>> has lived a day he has sent his thoughts to far places, seemingly
>>> making contact with the megatherians.  This seems very similiar to the
>>> astral abilities possessed by the Nieghbors.  Was Cillinia born on the
>>> Whorl or Urth?  Perhaps she has a saints name because she was fathered
>>> by Piaton and then later adopted by the alien Monarch?
>>>
>>> On 10/9/11, Andrew Mason<andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com>    wrote:
>>>> Larry Miller wrote:
>>>>> On first read I imagined Typhon as human native of Urth.  But Wolfes
>>>>> naming strategum points at Typhon being of alien origin.
>>>> I don't think it does, really. It's not humans, as such, but
>>>> Commonwealth citizens who have saint's names; Ash, for instance, or
>>>> Loyal to the Group of Seventeen don't. (Also Baldanders seems to be
>>>> human in origin but to have adopted a monstrous name when he became a
>>>> monster.)  And this principle is carried on into Long Sun/Short Sun;
>>>> people born in the Commonwealth region on Urth (Mamelta, Roger) have
>>>> saints' names, though no one else does. Also, here Typhon's daughter
>>>> has a saint's name - Cilinia - which seems to imply that she is human.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if Typhon is an Urthling, or an off-earth human from one
>>>> of the planets settled during the first empire; but I don't think he's
>>>> totally alien.
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