(urth) the prime calcula/his citadel and other quotes

[Gerry Quinn]

From: "Marc Aramini" <marcaramini at yahoo.com>


> The problem is that negation is a value judgement, Gerry.

If so, saying anything at all is a value judgement, because any statement is 
a negation of all statements that are logically incompatible with it.


> James sees the face of Silk on Pas as confirmation of genetic
> contiguity with Typhon, I see it as a symbol of succession
>  from father to son, you see it as Kypris getting jiggy with
> photoshop, we are all making judgements about the information.

Wait a second.  Surely we are *all* agreed that it is Kypris getting jiggy 
with photoshop?  What we disagree on is what she means to convey by this 
image she has created.  Is that not so?


> No where does it show Kypris faking the image, that is your
> extra textual addition.

Hmm... maybe it is not so!  You are saying that Silk at this moment has a 
mystical vision in the Sacred Window, not originating from the goddess who 
is using it to communicate with him, and this vision tells him that he is a 
clone of Pas?

I don't buy it, for two reasons.  First, just before the image is displayed, 
Kypris says "Look...".  Kypris is showing Silk this image.  Second, as I 
asked James - what would this image be expected to convey to Silk?  Its 
purpose is to convey something to him.

It's not a *fake*.  It's a representation, a diagram.


> It says she is Mother, and not even in a dream, because Silk
> is awake at the pond at that point, but I choose to take it
> literally and you think it should be completely ignored.  We are
> all making extra assumptive steps, and you have to make just as
> many to sweep those little statements under the rug.  I am not
> picking on you, honestly, because I don't want to force you to
> believe one way or the other, but I do want you to see that your
> reading that Silk is not related to Typhon or Kypris in any way
> ignores a lot of evidence and has to explain them away, whether
> it be through attributing it to the asinine nature of dreams, adobe
> acrobat and photoshop, or what have you.

Fair enough.  I'm not picking on you either.  The way I look at it, in a 
book of 1200 pages there will be a lot of things that can be taken to 
suggest one possibility or another, and all these possibilities must be 
assessed in the light of ALL the information in the book.  We need to find 
the ideas that do the least violence overall to the various clues and 
indications.  You say I am making just as many assumptions, but where is 
this quantified?

You're talking now about the idea that Kypris is Silk's biological mother - 
I personally don't believe it, but I think the notion that Silk is Typhon's 
biological son by Kypris is considerably more plausible than the notion that 
he is a clone of Typhon himself, which is what we were talking about in this 
subthread.

But why do you think Kypris is showing this as a symbol of succession from 
father to son?  And why doesn't she say anything of the kind?

- Gerry Quinn