(urth) Corundum of the Claw

[Jordon Flato]

If that horse is a wolf, then I think the case is closed! :)

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:48 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:

> Severian is a member of the mystical Body of Christ.
>
> >From the horse's mouth.
>
> .
>
>
> > That's is an awfully thin reed for "Severian is supposed to literally
> > be Jesus" rather than "Severian is supposed to parrallel Jesus in
> > important ways".  Perhaps the distinction is irrelevant for a
> > non-believer, but the author is not a non-believer.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> And Wolfe is on record as saying that the only thing we're ever told
> >> that
> >> Jesus the Carpenter's son made was a Whip.
> >>
> >> Witz and I have always been in agreeance on this, and because of that,
> >> I'm
> >> more likely to find textual support for the idea than for the idea of
> >> him as
> >> some sort of anti-christ.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
> >> <Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 24, 2010, at 5:05 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > There's a bit in John that says (I paraphrase): Jesus does not come
> >>> to
> >>> > put the world on trial or to condemn it, but to rescue it.
> >>> >
> >>> > Severian comes to carry out a death sentence.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I definitely feel that "the Sev is not divine" arguments are fine and
> >>> appropriate, and I don't care to try to convince anyone, but I think
> >>> it's a
> >>> shame that people get hung up on this idea that Severian did a bad
> >>> thing,
> >>> that he "carried out a death sentance".
> >>> This view is not, er, holistic to the themes. The most boiled down
> >>> theme
> >>> in this book, holographically repeated, is Death and Resurrection. We
> >>> must
> >>> not forget that.
> >>>
> >>> Severian brought renewed life to the planet. the death of Urth was the
> >>> birth of Ushas, and the resurection of the dying planet.  To miss this
> >>> is to
> >>> fundamentally misunderstand the books, I think.  To view this as a
> >>> death
> >>> sentence, one is basically taking the short sighted selfish side that
> >>> Severian's foes had. They would deny the future for a few more years
> >>> for
> >>> themselves.
> >>> Fuck that.  This is a cycle that we see in nature. The forest has to
> >>> burn
> >>> for it's own good, periodically.
> >>>
> >>> I'm sorry, just about any reading goes, but to just see Severian's act
> >>> as
> >>> a just tradgedy seems to completely miss the point.
> >>>
> >>> It had to be a torturer to deliver the death stroke that brought new
> >>> life.
> >>> No one else would obey. Everyone else prefers to save themselves and
> >>> cling
> >>> to their attachments like children.  Severian did a difficult,
> >>> necessary,
> >>> and beautiful thing.
> >>>
> >>> ~witz
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