(urth) Corundum of the Claw

[John Watkins]

Well, me too.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM,  <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
> Severian is a member of the mystical Body of Christ.
>
> >From the horse's mouth.
>
> .
>
>
>> That's is an awfully thin reed for "Severian is supposed to literally
>> be Jesus" rather than "Severian is supposed to parrallel Jesus in
>> important ways".  Perhaps the distinction is irrelevant for a
>> non-believer, but the author is not a non-believer.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> And Wolfe is on record as saying that the only thing we're ever told
>>> that
>>> Jesus the Carpenter's son made was a Whip.
>>>
>>> Witz and I have always been in agreeance on this, and because of that,
>>> I'm
>>> more likely to find textual support for the idea than for the idea of
>>> him as
>>> some sort of anti-christ.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
>>> <Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 24, 2010, at 5:05 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > There's a bit in John that says (I paraphrase): Jesus does not come
>>>> to
>>>> > put the world on trial or to condemn it, but to rescue it.
>>>> >
>>>> > Severian comes to carry out a death sentence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I definitely feel that "the Sev is not divine" arguments are fine and
>>>> appropriate, and I don't care to try to convince anyone, but I think
>>>> it's a
>>>> shame that people get hung up on this idea that Severian did a bad
>>>> thing,
>>>> that he "carried out a death sentance".
>>>> This view is not, er, holistic to the themes. The most boiled down
>>>> theme
>>>> in this book, holographically repeated, is Death and Resurrection. We
>>>> must
>>>> not forget that.
>>>>
>>>> Severian brought renewed life to the planet. the death of Urth was the
>>>> birth of Ushas, and the resurection of the dying planet.  To miss this
>>>> is to
>>>> fundamentally misunderstand the books, I think.  To view this as a
>>>> death
>>>> sentence, one is basically taking the short sighted selfish side that
>>>> Severian's foes had. They would deny the future for a few more years
>>>> for
>>>> themselves.
>>>> Fuck that.  This is a cycle that we see in nature. The forest has to
>>>> burn
>>>> for it's own good, periodically.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, just about any reading goes, but to just see Severian's act
>>>> as
>>>> a just tradgedy seems to completely miss the point.
>>>>
>>>> It had to be a torturer to deliver the death stroke that brought new
>>>> life.
>>>> No one else would obey. Everyone else prefers to save themselves and
>>>> cling
>>>> to their attachments like children.  Severian did a difficult,
>>>> necessary,
>>>> and beautiful thing.
>>>>
>>>> ~witz
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