(urth) Corundum of the Claw

[Jordon Flato]

Well, I'm certainly not making the case that he is literally Jesus.  But he
is far from the literal anti-christ.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:58 AM, John Watkins <john.watkins04 at gmail.com>wrote:

> That's is an awfully thin reed for "Severian is supposed to literally
> be Jesus" rather than "Severian is supposed to parrallel Jesus in
> important ways".  Perhaps the distinction is irrelevant for a
> non-believer, but the author is not a non-believer.
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > And Wolfe is on record as saying that the only thing we're ever told that
> > Jesus the Carpenter's son made was a Whip.
> >
> > Witz and I have always been in agreeance on this, and because of that,
> I'm
> > more likely to find textual support for the idea than for the idea of him
> as
> > some sort of anti-christ.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
> > <Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Jun 24, 2010, at 5:05 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > There's a bit in John that says (I paraphrase): Jesus does not come to
> >> > put the world on trial or to condemn it, but to rescue it.
> >> >
> >> > Severian comes to carry out a death sentence.
> >>
> >>
> >> I definitely feel that "the Sev is not divine" arguments are fine and
> >> appropriate, and I don't care to try to convince anyone, but I think
> it's a
> >> shame that people get hung up on this idea that Severian did a bad
> thing,
> >> that he "carried out a death sentance".
> >> This view is not, er, holistic to the themes. The most boiled down theme
> >> in this book, holographically repeated, is Death and Resurrection. We
> must
> >> not forget that.
> >>
> >> Severian brought renewed life to the planet. the death of Urth was the
> >> birth of Ushas, and the resurection of the dying planet.  To miss this
> is to
> >> fundamentally misunderstand the books, I think.  To view this as a death
> >> sentence, one is basically taking the short sighted selfish side that
> >> Severian's foes had. They would deny the future for a few more years for
> >> themselves.
> >> Fuck that.  This is a cycle that we see in nature. The forest has to
> burn
> >> for it's own good, periodically.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, just about any reading goes, but to just see Severian's act
> as
> >> a just tradgedy seems to completely miss the point.
> >>
> >> It had to be a torturer to deliver the death stroke that brought new
> life.
> >> No one else would obey. Everyone else prefers to save themselves and
> cling
> >> to their attachments like children.  Severian did a difficult,
> necessary,
> >> and beautiful thing.
> >>
> >> ~witz
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