(urth) Corundum of the Claw

[John Watkins]

That's is an awfully thin reed for "Severian is supposed to literally
be Jesus" rather than "Severian is supposed to parrallel Jesus in
important ways".  Perhaps the distinction is irrelevant for a
non-believer, but the author is not a non-believer.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com> wrote:
> And Wolfe is on record as saying that the only thing we're ever told that
> Jesus the Carpenter's son made was a Whip.
>
> Witz and I have always been in agreeance on this, and because of that, I'm
> more likely to find textual support for the idea than for the idea of him as
> some sort of anti-christ.
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
> <Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2010, at 5:05 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There's a bit in John that says (I paraphrase): Jesus does not come to
>> > put the world on trial or to condemn it, but to rescue it.
>> >
>> > Severian comes to carry out a death sentence.
>>
>>
>> I definitely feel that "the Sev is not divine" arguments are fine and
>> appropriate, and I don't care to try to convince anyone, but I think it's a
>> shame that people get hung up on this idea that Severian did a bad thing,
>> that he "carried out a death sentance".
>> This view is not, er, holistic to the themes. The most boiled down theme
>> in this book, holographically repeated, is Death and Resurrection. We must
>> not forget that.
>>
>> Severian brought renewed life to the planet. the death of Urth was the
>> birth of Ushas, and the resurection of the dying planet.  To miss this is to
>> fundamentally misunderstand the books, I think.  To view this as a death
>> sentence, one is basically taking the short sighted selfish side that
>> Severian's foes had. They would deny the future for a few more years for
>> themselves.
>> Fuck that.  This is a cycle that we see in nature. The forest has to burn
>> for it's own good, periodically.
>>
>> I'm sorry, just about any reading goes, but to just see Severian's act as
>> a just tradgedy seems to completely miss the point.
>>
>> It had to be a torturer to deliver the death stroke that brought new life.
>> No one else would obey. Everyone else prefers to save themselves and cling
>> to their attachments like children.  Severian did a difficult, necessary,
>> and beautiful thing.
>>
>> ~witz
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