(urth) Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous thoughts on Wolfe")

[John Watkins]

Is it in Reno?  I'm unlikely to be in Reno.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:

> 'I am from this planet' is strictly accurate when you consider my physical
> person.
>
> Actually, we are not on a planet.
>
> We are in a World.
>
> Planets are bright lights that move in the sky.
>
> Are you planning upon attending the 2011 WorldCon, John?
>
> .
>
>
> > I'm never sure what planet you're from.
> >
> > For the record, Nietzsche shared your view that there was some biological
> > benefit to preserving the seed.  He too was a bit of a nutter.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
> >
> >> It is biologically based.
> >>
> >> If a man does not have orgasms, he becomes capable to perform certain
> >> spiritual acts which he cannot otherwise perform, or not as well.
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >> > I disagree with that, actually.
> >> >
> >> > I recognize that, oh, historically, there were various secular causes
> >> for
> >> > priestly celibacy.  But there's a pretty well-established human
> >> impulse
> >> to
> >> > recognize things associated with the transcendent or divine by
> >> "setting
> >> > them
> >> > apart," and requiring that the intermediaries between God and man give
> >> up
> >> > some form of "normal" human life is a perfectly natural way for that
> >> > impulse
> >> > to be satisfied.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Priests are celibate for reasons which have nothing to do with
> >> religion
> >> >> per se.
> >> >>
> >> >> .
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > How Catholic is the Chapter, really?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Naturally there are elements in the liturgy and priestly celibacy.
> >> >> But
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Catholic liturgy did not spring forth fully formed either, and
> >> >> priestly
> >> >> > celibacy is not a uniquely Christian practice either (many Buddhist
> >> >> > groups,
> >> >> > um...Vestal Virgins...have to be others as well).
> >> >> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On the other hand, it is possible for a "Catholic Church" to have
> >> >> been
> >> >> >> established in the Commonwealth without a Jesus (complete with
> >> >> crosses)
> >> >> >> merely in correspondence to the vibrations of our Universe, just
> >> as
> >> >> in
> >> >> >> Green's dimension (There Are Doors) grooms wear black at weddings
> >> >> only
> >> >> >> because they do it in Lara's dimension.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In that case, the Chapter is a parody of an echo. But somehow I
> >> find
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> less satisfying.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> J.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> True for just about any character in a Wolfe story.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> I'm not sure how trustworthy a source Lemur is...
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM, James Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com>
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Doesn't Wolfe undermine the idea that Urth's universe has no
> >> Jesus
> >> >> in
> >> >> >>>>> "The
> >> >> >>>>> Book of the Long Sun"? Lemur told Silk that Scylla founded the
> >> >> >>>>> Chapter
> >> >> >>>>> as a
> >> >> >>>>> "parody of the state religion of her own whorl". I suppose it
> >> is
> >> >> >>>>> possible to
> >> >> >>>>> claim that that "state religion" was not Catholicism, but I
> >> don't
> >> >> >>>>> know
> >> >> >>>>> why
> >> >> >>>>> anyone would bother.
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