(urth) Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous thoughts on Wolfe")

[Dan'l Danehy-Oakes]

Yes, it's in Reno.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:41 PM, John Watkins <john.watkins04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it in Reno?  I'm unlikely to be in Reno.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>>
>> 'I am from this planet' is strictly accurate when you consider my physical
>> person.
>>
>> Actually, we are not on a planet.
>>
>> We are in a World.
>>
>> Planets are bright lights that move in the sky.
>>
>> Are you planning upon attending the 2011 WorldCon, John?
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> > I'm never sure what planet you're from.
>> >
>> > For the record, Nietzsche shared your view that there was some
>> > biological
>> > benefit to preserving the seed.  He too was a bit of a nutter.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> It is biologically based.
>> >>
>> >> If a man does not have orgasms, he becomes capable to perform certain
>> >> spiritual acts which he cannot otherwise perform, or not as well.
>> >>
>> >> .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I disagree with that, actually.
>> >> >
>> >> > I recognize that, oh, historically, there were various secular causes
>> >> for
>> >> > priestly celibacy.  But there's a pretty well-established human
>> >> impulse
>> >> to
>> >> > recognize things associated with the transcendent or divine by
>> >> "setting
>> >> > them
>> >> > apart," and requiring that the intermediaries between God and man
>> >> > give
>> >> up
>> >> > some form of "normal" human life is a perfectly natural way for that
>> >> > impulse
>> >> > to be satisfied.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Priests are celibate for reasons which have nothing to do with
>> >> religion
>> >> >> per se.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> .
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > How Catholic is the Chapter, really?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Naturally there are elements in the liturgy and priestly celibacy.
>> >> >> But
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > Catholic liturgy did not spring forth fully formed either, and
>> >> >> priestly
>> >> >> > celibacy is not a uniquely Christian practice either (many
>> >> >> > Buddhist
>> >> >> > groups,
>> >> >> > um...Vestal Virgins...have to be others as well).
>> >> >> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On the other hand, it is possible for a "Catholic Church" to have
>> >> >> been
>> >> >> >> established in the Commonwealth without a Jesus (complete with
>> >> >> crosses)
>> >> >> >> merely in correspondence to the vibrations of our Universe, just
>> >> as
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> Green's dimension (There Are Doors) grooms wear black at weddings
>> >> >> only
>> >> >> >> because they do it in Lara's dimension.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In that case, the Chapter is a parody of an echo. But somehow I
>> >> find
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> less satisfying.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> J.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> True for just about any character in a Wolfe story.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> I'm not sure how trustworthy a source Lemur is...
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM, James Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com>
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Doesn't Wolfe undermine the idea that Urth's universe has no
>> >> Jesus
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> >>>>> "The
>> >> >> >>>>> Book of the Long Sun"? Lemur told Silk that Scylla founded the
>> >> >> >>>>> Chapter
>> >> >> >>>>> as a
>> >> >> >>>>> "parody of the state religion of her own whorl". I suppose it
>> >> is
>> >> >> >>>>> possible to
>> >> >> >>>>> claim that that "state religion" was not Catholicism, but I
>> >> don't
>> >> >> >>>>> know
>> >> >> >>>>> why
>> >> >> >>>>> anyone would bother.
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