(urth) Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous thoughts on Wolfe")

[John Watkins]

I'm never sure what planet you're from.

For the record, Nietzsche shared your view that there was some biological
benefit to preserving the seed.  He too was a bit of a nutter.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:

> It is biologically based.
>
> If a man does not have orgasms, he becomes capable to perform certain
> spiritual acts which he cannot otherwise perform, or not as well.
>
> .
>
>
> > I disagree with that, actually.
> >
> > I recognize that, oh, historically, there were various secular causes for
> > priestly celibacy.  But there's a pretty well-established human impulse
> to
> > recognize things associated with the transcendent or divine by "setting
> > them
> > apart," and requiring that the intermediaries between God and man give up
> > some form of "normal" human life is a perfectly natural way for that
> > impulse
> > to be satisfied.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Priests are celibate for reasons which have nothing to do with religion
> >> per se.
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >> > How Catholic is the Chapter, really?
> >> >
> >> > Naturally there are elements in the liturgy and priestly celibacy.
> >> But
> >> > the
> >> > Catholic liturgy did not spring forth fully formed either, and
> >> priestly
> >> > celibacy is not a uniquely Christian practice either (many Buddhist
> >> > groups,
> >> > um...Vestal Virgins...have to be others as well).
> >> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On the other hand, it is possible for a "Catholic Church" to have
> >> been
> >> >> established in the Commonwealth without a Jesus (complete with
> >> crosses)
> >> >> merely in correspondence to the vibrations of our Universe, just as
> >> in
> >> >> Green's dimension (There Are Doors) grooms wear black at weddings
> >> only
> >> >> because they do it in Lara's dimension.
> >> >>
> >> >> In that case, the Chapter is a parody of an echo. But somehow I find
> >> >> that
> >> >> less satisfying.
> >> >>
> >> >> J.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> True for just about any character in a Wolfe story.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I'm not sure how trustworthy a source Lemur is...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM, James Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com>
> >>  wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Doesn't Wolfe undermine the idea that Urth's universe has no Jesus
> >> in
> >> >>>>> "The
> >> >>>>> Book of the Long Sun"? Lemur told Silk that Scylla founded the
> >> >>>>> Chapter
> >> >>>>> as a
> >> >>>>> "parody of the state religion of her own whorl". I suppose it is
> >> >>>>> possible to
> >> >>>>> claim that that "state religion" was not Catholicism, but I don't
> >> >>>>> know
> >> >>>>> why
> >> >>>>> anyone would bother.
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