<div>I'm never sure what planet you're from.</div>
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<div>For the record, Nietzsche shared your view that there was some biological benefit to preserving the seed. He too was a bit of a nutter.<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org">brunians@brunians.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">It is biologically based.<br><br>If a man does not have orgasms, he becomes capable to perform certain<br>
spiritual acts which he cannot otherwise perform, or not as well.<br><br>.<br>
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<div class="h5"><br><br>> I disagree with that, actually.<br>><br>> I recognize that, oh, historically, there were various secular causes for<br>> priestly celibacy. But there's a pretty well-established human impulse to<br>
> recognize things associated with the transcendent or divine by "setting<br>> them<br>> apart," and requiring that the intermediaries between God and man give up<br>> some form of "normal" human life is a perfectly natural way for that<br>
> impulse<br>> to be satisfied.<br>><br>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM, <<a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org">brunians@brunians.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Priests are celibate for reasons which have nothing to do with religion<br>
>> per se.<br>>><br>>> .<br>>><br>>><br>>> > How Catholic is the Chapter, really?<br>>> ><br>>> > Naturally there are elements in the liturgy and priestly celibacy.<br>
>> But<br>>> > the<br>>> > Catholic liturgy did not spring forth fully formed either, and<br>>> priestly<br>>> > celibacy is not a uniquely Christian practice either (many Buddhist<br>
>> > groups,<br>>> > um...Vestal Virgins...have to be others as well).<br>>> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM, James Wynn <<a href="mailto:crushtv@gmail.com">crushtv@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>>> >> On the other hand, it is possible for a "Catholic Church" to have<br>>> been<br>>> >> established in the Commonwealth without a Jesus (complete with<br>>> crosses)<br>
>> >> merely in correspondence to the vibrations of our Universe, just as<br>>> in<br>>> >> Green's dimension (There Are Doors) grooms wear black at weddings<br>>> only<br>>> >> because they do it in Lara's dimension.<br>
>> >><br>>> >> In that case, the Chapter is a parody of an echo. But somehow I find<br>>> >> that<br>>> >> less satisfying.<br>>> >><br>>> >> J.<br>>> >><br>
>> >><br>>> >> True for just about any character in a Wolfe story.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>>> I'm not sure how trustworthy a source Lemur is...<br>>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM, James Wynn<<a href="mailto:crushtv@gmail.com">crushtv@gmail.com</a>><br>>> wrote:<br>>> >>>><br>>> >>>>> Doesn't Wolfe undermine the idea that Urth's universe has no Jesus<br>
>> in<br>>> >>>>> "The<br>>> >>>>> Book of the Long Sun"? Lemur told Silk that Scylla founded the<br>>> >>>>> Chapter<br>>> >>>>> as a<br>
>> >>>>> "parody of the state religion of her own whorl". I suppose it is<br>>> >>>>> possible to<br>>> >>>>> claim that that "state religion" was not Catholicism, but I don't<br>
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