(urth) Appearances of Inire
António Pedro Marques
entonio at gmail.com
Thu Jul 1 11:05:27 PDT 2010
John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 18:22):
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> 2010/7/1 António Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com
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> John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 18:08):
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> But the point I brought up is independent of whether the evil
> power was created by God or bred by whoever.
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> Is it? I dunno. I think the existence of, say, hurricanes, or the
> bubonic plague, is potentially more troubling from a theodicy standpoint
> than the possibility that the free will of hman beings might create
> monstrous demigods as the Hierogrammates under Scenario 2 are.
Natural disasters aren't ever considered benign. They may be considered part
of some higher purpose, but that's not what we're discussing here.
> Anyway I
> rather doubt that the author would agree that the existence of such
> beings is inconsistent with the existence of a traditionally-understood God.
A universe under the dominion of an evil being that poses and is seen as
doing God's will is consistent with the existence of a benign God?
> Regardless, we are getting afield of the question.
>
> > I honestly think top-posting usually isn't helpful - maybe
> it's early
> > afternoon drowsiness but I can't grasp your point.
> >
> > John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 16:31):
> >> Tdazkiel's people are themselves artificial...awfully difficult
> to blame
> >> God for their control over the universe.
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> >> 2010/7/1 António Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com
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> >> Option 2 I think is untenable.
> >>
> >> - If God is good, then it makes no sense to create a
> universe in
> >> which:
> >> + God's creatures are toys in an evil power's hands
> >> + God's creatures believe that the evil power is not evil
> at all
> >> and is doing God's work
> >> + those who oppose the evil power are not, generally
> speaking,
> >> better people than the others, and in fact seem to be worse.
> >>
> >> - If God isn't good then by what standard can we call
> such an
> >> unfathomable being as Tzadkiel evil?
> >>
> >> Keeping option 3 doesn't mean that the acts of Tzadkiel
> need no
> >> atoning for, it just means they're done with the best of
> intentions
> >> and knowledge. We have a saying here, 'Of [people with] good
> >> intentions is Hell full'.
> >>
> >> Antonio
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