(urth) Appearances of Inire
John Watkins
john.watkins04 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 1 10:22:26 PDT 2010
2010/7/1 António Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com>
> John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 18:08):
>
>>
>>
>> But the point I brought up is independent of whether the evil power was
>> created by God or bred by whoever.
>>
>>
Is it? I dunno. I think the existence of, say, hurricanes, or the bubonic
plague, is potentially more troubling from a theodicy standpoint than the
possibility that the free will of hman beings might create monstrous
demigods as the Hierogrammates under Scenario 2 are. Anyway I rather doubt
that the author would agree that the existence of such beings is
inconsistent with the existence of a traditionally-understood God.
Regardless, we are getting afield of the question.
> > I honestly think top-posting usually isn't helpful - maybe it's
>> early
>> > afternoon drowsiness but I can't grasp your point.
>> >
>> > John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 16:31):
>> >> Tdazkiel's people are themselves artificial...awfully difficult
>> to blame
>> >> God for their control over the universe.
>> >>
>> >> 2010/7/1 António Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com
>> <mailto:entonio at gmail.com>
>> >> <mailto:entonio at gmail.com <mailto:entonio at gmail.com>>>
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>> >>
>> >> Option 2 I think is untenable.
>> >>
>> >> - If God is good, then it makes no sense to create a universe
>> in
>> >> which:
>> >> + God's creatures are toys in an evil power's hands
>> >> + God's creatures believe that the evil power is not evil
>> at all
>> >> and is doing God's work
>> >> + those who oppose the evil power are not, generally
>> speaking,
>> >> better people than the others, and in fact seem to be worse.
>> >>
>> >> - If God isn't good then by what standard can we call such an
>> >> unfathomable being as Tzadkiel evil?
>> >>
>> >> Keeping option 3 doesn't mean that the acts of Tzadkiel need no
>> >> atoning for, it just means they're done with the best of
>> intentions
>> >> and knowledge. We have a saying here, 'Of [people with] good
>> >> intentions is Hell full'.
>> >>
>> >> Antonio
>> >>
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