(urth) BSG Spoiler

Son of Witz sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
Sat Mar 21 21:28:59 PDT 2009


haha.
you and Wynn are both totally right.
I still enjoyed the hell out of it. I suppose I didn't have such  
expectations.  and well, I was also a little drinky when I watched it,  
so maybe that colored my vision.
my basic expectation of the thing all along was that it would suck. I  
don't watch much tv, and had expectations of stuff like Star Gate and  
Star Trek (which I can't bear to watch) when I came to this thing.
So, that the show even went into any of that sort of territory was  
pretty damn awesome to me.  so, expecting shit, and getting, say  
platinum, if not gold, is a good run I think.
I guess to you sci fi buffs it's a fallen promise or something.


I'm curious to know what this next revers POV thing will be. Will we  
get the plan?

>>
>> Cavil's cop out was even ok, if a little easy. He went against all  
>> of his petty issues and made a truce in the name of his peoples  
>> survival.  He doesn't seem to want to stay around to see it, or see  
>> it fall apart. but he killed himself instead of killing the truce.
>
> Did we watch the same show? The truce with Cavil's people ended  
> before he killed himself.
>

oh yeah, I wasn't clear on that. I thought that the war was still over  
and the fighting was contained to CIC after Gaelin killed (?)

~witz

On Mar 21, 2009, at 9:10 PM, Jeremy Francis wrote:

> I rarely weigh in on anything on this list but may I share my  
> disgust with
> that ending.  It was essentially two hours of "Oh, shit, I've backed  
> myself
> into a corner.  How do I get out?"  This leads to some of the more  
> absurd
> elements of the episode - the first of which was when Cavil  
> consented to
> some sort of treaty based on Gaius' "I see angels!" statement,  
> followed by
> Lee's "Atavism for all, enjoy copulating with the mud-smeared natives;
> alternatively, contract diseases we'll have no hope of curing," head  
> angel
> Kara (who could still fly a Viper and could be seen by all), the  
> shoe-horned
> opera "explanation", and the dancing robot montage.  Not to mention  
> so many
> people being willing to die to save one half-Cylon little girl.   
> Might I say
> that the "God" in the BSG universe is pretty stupid - so, you can  
> send new
> people, who fly real (apparently) Vipers, and the best means of  
> getting
> humanity to where they're going is to have Kara remember the  
> coordinates
> when she's standing right in front of the FTL console?
>
> "God did it" or "magic did it" out of nowhere is considered a lazy
> explanation for a reason.  Though, to be honest, I found "Time to  
> split up,
> with few supplies, and not even try to create a civilisation" even  
> more
> ridiculous.  I can imagine the fleet members: "I'm a mechanic.  What  
> the
> hell do I know about being a hunter-gatherer?  Is it too late to  
> side with
> Gaeta?"
> Aspiring TV writers: this is why you plan what you're going to  
> write, at
> least in general detail, at the start of your series.  See: Carnivale,
> Babylon 5, or even Deep Space 9 (which, while not as good as the  
> others, was
> fairly cogent).  I've thought since they found the "real" Earth that  
> there
> was no convincing way to end this series, and I was right.
>
> At least we got Cavil blowing his brains out, Baltar's "I know a bit  
> about
> farming", and Roslin's death, which were all very effective/awesome  
> scenes.
> Oh, silly Adama, you can't marry a corpse.
>
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> Son of Witz wrote:
>
>> [complete spoilitude follows]
>>
>> my big questions were answered, and most threads were resolved,  
>> even if
>> pat TV answers weren't given. Maybe Wolfe has conditioned me to get  
>> less
>> confirmation.
>> the biggest unresolved issue, to me is "they have a plan"  well, what
>> was it.
>>
>> the thing ended up exactly where I'd been hoping and suspecting, a
>> merger of the biological beings, a new humanity, a separation from
>> centurions, a new Home on Earth, a clean slate.  So, whatever the  
>> plan
>> was, even if it was demonic, it's fruit was what I'd hoped for, and  
>> as
>> the story seems to indicate, as God intended.
>>
>> hmm. where have I seen that before. SF Quasi-Angelic eugenics plan  
>> for
>> bettering humanity and an apocatastasis for humanity, and cyclical
>> iterations of Earth, and cyclical iterations of humanity creating  
>> beings
>> that think they're better who put humanity through the crucible?   
>> Gods
>> plans working through flawed and evil beings?  Survivors of a ship
>> landing on a new earth and going native?
>> It all seems VERY New Sun to me.
>>
>> Starbuck is an angelic eidolon of sorts.  What else could she be? It
>> begs the question of who resurrects and how? but I'm okay with the
>> delicious ambiguity there.
>
> The exceptional thing is that it happened at least _twice_; there  
> was no
> way for the "first" Starbuck's corpse and wreckage to have gotten from
> the gas giant to Earth. I think this also hints that the the  
> disappeared
> Starbuck *went* somewhere instead of dissipated. Unfortunately, she is
> not shown in the epilogue.
>
>> this is as resolved as I need it to be. my wife disagrees.  The "big
>> reveal" was her disappearance.   Wouldn't angel wings or dialogue  
>> have
>> been cheesy?
>> My wife would want me to hedge that with the questions of why she had
>> that role, why she had that song?  I'm okay with it. There was enough
>> early prophesy with her finding the arrow, with her as the angelic
>> masthead for Adama's boat.  "Harbinger of Doom" is problematic.  But
>> again, as we've argued on the list, an clean slate reset is often  
>> seen
>> as doom, even though it's a rebirth.
>
> Harbinger of _death_.  Which could refer to he prowess as a warrior,  
> or
> that anyone she shacks up with end up untimely dead?
>
>> Operah house has been going on since what, season 2?  people kept  
>> saying
>> they'd dropped the ball.   I beg to differ. A good example of the  
>> fact
>> that they did know where they were going. I think there is enough on
>> display to see that they knew who it would end. it was all the  
>> threads
>> beginning to end that they wove together as they went.
>
> You made a typo there, that "who" was better known than "what" - but  
> the
> real murkiness was what the Cylon's plot could possibly be - and we
> still really don't have a good idea of what rational plan "John" could
> have had that would have attracted the participation of the less  
> insane
> skinjobs.
>
>
>> Cavil's cop out was even ok, if a little easy. He went against all of
>> his petty issues and made a truce in the name of his peoples  
>> survival.
>> He doesn't seem to want to stay around to see it, or see it fall  
>> apart.
>> but he killed himself instead of killing the truce.
>
> Did we watch the same show? The truce with Cavil's people ended before
> he killed himself.
>
>
>> funny bit with Gaelin going north.
>> wonder if his strain evolves into the Gaelic peoples...
>
> a lone, sterile cylon skinjob on an island with no people?
>
> -- 
> Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com
> < http://www.io.com/~jwilson >
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