(urth) Babbie

Jordon Flato jordonflato at gmail.com
Fri Mar 20 10:53:12 PDT 2009

I'm closer to accepting this then a full scale 'possession' of Horn by the
Neighbor.  I'll be looking closely through the book for more clues this time

In terms of ThomisticSoul vs. Eternal soul...well, that is a larger argument
that I won't wade into until I'm done with this read through of SS.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:

> Stockhoff:
> >> I don't know if a Neighbor "occupies" Horn, but it is clear that Horn
> dies.
> >> And there is a lot of psyche-sharing through blood in SS---it seems to
> be a
> >> motif, like eidolons in NS. It may well be that the Neighbor gave Horn
> life
> >> in the only way he knew how, by giving him Neighbor-life---but in Horn's
> >> memories in Horn's body, because memories are electrical/physical.
> >> Then the Neighbor went off to continue his own life in his own body,
> having
> >> merely imprinted Horn's body with not a copy of himself but with the
> most
> >> basic spark of consciousness. Just enough so Horn's body and brain could
> >> reboot (plus fix his neck!).
> >
> >
> >> This requires a life-psyche distinction, but not necessarily a
> soul-psyche
> >> distinction. We know a body can live while its brain is dead, and that a
> >> brain can "live" without thought. It makes sense that if the Neighbor
> >> revived Horn, Horn would only have Horn's memories. However, on some
> level
> >> we can't fathom, he may "feel" Neighborish---enough to put 2+2 and
> realize
> >> what happened and what he is. So he wouldn't know anything about any
> ruins,
> >> but might be drawn to them.
> >>
> >
> >
> Watkins:
> >This makes the most sense to me of anything so far.  NeighborHorn is
> >NeighborHorn, not Neighbor/Horn--he doesn't have the Neighbor's
> >memories/personality/soul, but does have his life/essence/nature.  He has
> >Horn's memories/personality/ThomisticSoul, but not anything like Horn's
> >Platonic/eternal soul, if such things exist in Wolfe's world. He's Horn's
> >ghost in a Neighbor-enhanced version of Horn's body.
> Now I think I can get behind this.
> I think we may have come to terms with this thing here.
> what do you think Wynn? Lackey? Flato? Hamm?
> ~witz
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