(urth) The significance of Apu Punchau

Pedro Pereira domus_artemis at hotmail.com
Tue Dec 30 12:11:13 PST 2008


Thank you for caring about what I had to say.
 
I don't understand the "plain text" part though. What do you mean? Did I write the wrong way or something? I'm not an english native speaker so sorry but I didn't understand that part.
 
As for the rest: I have no problems with consequent universes having consequent "Earths" and "Humanity". From what I remember reading it all fits quite well and follows the book. What I have a problem with is assuming that everything is exactely the same. There is no reason to support this theory. There is no reason to believe in Buenos Aires version 537 and Spanish Conquistador version 799, which is pretty much what we need to believe if we accept that the Earth/Urth discribed in the books is in another (prior or subsequent) version of the universe. Also, if everything is exactely the same, history is the same, geography is the same, Ronald Reagan exists every time, etc,  then we can take this to the extreme and basically we are eliminating free will and pretty much there will be no diference between universes, so there's no purpose in doing it to start with.
 
 
Pedro> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:27:05 -0500> From: dstockhoff at verizon.net> To: urth at lists.urth.net> Subject: Re: (urth) The significance of Apu Punchau> > Pedro, by no means should you STFU. But please respond in plain text if you can. I've been forgetting, myself, but reading your posts reminded me!> > The iterative-Urth theory can't ever be totally dismissed, because the Hieros specifically have been granted the means and the arrogance to carry it out. But it seems like a huge waste of energy to me, both literally and figuratively. How much improvement would each iteration yield? How much micromanagement would be required, even if you assume that probabilities cluster for your convenience, and even if you assume vast computers run Yesod?> > At some point, the manipulative theories begin to ascribe so much power to the manipulators, Hiero or Increate, that the protagonist's struggles become meaningless. One may as well write a novel that consists of counting to 1000 and back again. That's what I refuse to accept, even though cyclicality clearly is a concept TBotNS plays with.> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:04:00 +0200> From: Pedro Pereira <domus_artemis at hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: (urth) The significance of Apu Punchau> To: <urth at lists.urth.net>> Message-ID: <COL105-W28611EAA7FB86537C39D5F85E70 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Variations on the same theme is fine. Exactely the same thing is not, at least for me, especially when Wolfe in his interviews clearly states that he doesn't remember exactely how much time has passed from the Earth we know now. That's as good a confirmation this is the same universe as other. > > As a side note, I've been so busy that I can't read everything posted in this list and much of it I have to delete before reading. Feel free to tell me to shut TFU or read everything if I want to comment if you feel I deserve it. > > > > ---> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.> Virus Database (VPS): 081230-0, 12/30/2008> Tested on: 12/30/2008 12:27:06 PM> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software.> http://www.avast.com> > > > _______________________________________________> Urth Mailing List> To post, write urth at urth.net> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net
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