(urth) Aside on Christ figures in TBotNS

[David Stockhoff]

Jordon & Witz---

It doesn't work perfectly for exactly those reasons. However, the pattern is so clear I don't think it can be denied.

Also, for me there is little difference between Yahweh saying he is the Utmost and humans thinking he is, not realizing he is simply a sun god and that a bigger God lies above and behind him. This is partly because humans lie and make things up about their gods, and partly because the universe of TBotNS is, in a way. a Catholic universe with all the flesh stripped away to reveal the bones, like a postmodern building. It is generally rational and rationalized, relatively speaking. It has to "make sense" regardless of our existing religious beliefs, which will never perfectly apply.

If Tzadkiel had been an evil or foolish Demiurge (Abaia and his brothers seem to want to fill that slot), it would have been a very different story. 

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:51:35 -0800
From: "Jordon Flato" <jordonflato at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) Aside on Christ figures in TBotNS
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Well, a big big difference here is that I don't see Tzadkiel asking for
worship, or denying the Increate, or putting himself in place of the
Increate.  He acknowledges his nullity in the face of the Increate, and also
never demands worship.  The Demiurge demands worship, and tries to set
himself up as God with a capital G.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:02 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote:


> >  Which is perfect, if you accept the parody theory. After all, the Demiurge is a parody of God.
> >
> > BTW, I meant "atrocious" in my quote below. I think this term can apply to actual atrocities as well as travesties of Christian form, and nothing is more banal than a sci-fi cliche or a mundane explanation of a miracle.
> >
> > I think the Conciliator is exactly that: "a healing energy sent in from the true God into the realm of the Demiurge." Tzadkiel knows he is no Demiurge, but he is clearly the higher being in charge of our creation. To Urth, he is God in all the ways the Increate is not---the way the "hairy thunderer" Yahweh is everything the Christian God is not.
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