(urth) Juturna (and nenuphars)

[nastler]

Roy,

I don't think I have understand the problem with this.
>From Juturnas POV she meets Sev in the throne room and
he makes his "prophesy" that she will save him from
drowning in Gyoll. She searchs "backwards" through his
life and meets Sev at the sand bank where (among other
things) she mentions that it was (will be) her that
saves him from the weeds. When she reaches the moment
where the nenuphars attempt to drown the NS she saves
him.

Why are these plants the image of "the death of the
sun" anyway? "glossy, pale leaves and azure flower."
"black roots as fine and strong as hair, reaching down
into the dark waters". What forces are represented by
these plants? Why do they wish to drown the sun? Would
they not thrive in a sunnier Ushas? Are they
non-terrestrial? I think they must be. They are
"weeds" after all. They have roots reaching into dark
waters, but are opposed by the Undines. Who can clear
this up?

nastler

--- "Roy C. Lackey" <rclackey at stic.net> skrev:

> Just to muddy the waters a little more . . . earlier
> I wrote:
> 
> >Back in the throne room, Sev had asked her if she
> remembered saving him
> when
> >he was a boy: "No. It hasn't yet occurred. It will,
> because you spoke."
> >(306) Very curious. Sev's pronouncement thus became
> a prophesy. The New Sun
> >and the flood were established facts as she spoke
> before the throne, she
> >knew for a fact that Sev would succeed in bringing
> the New Sun, yet she
> came
> >there to save him anyway that day if she could
> *and* she would see to it
> >that she saved him from drowning in *her* future,
> which was *his* past. It
> >seems to me that she succeeded on both counts.
> 
> The meeting in the throne room with Juturna was the
> third for Sev. The
> second meeting was at the Cephissus river, when she
> tried to seduce him. At
> that time she mentioned having previously saved him
> from drowning among the
> clotted weeds in the Gyoll. Ergo, since from her
> perspective there in the
> throne room she had yet to save him from drowning in
> the Gyoll, for her the
> meeting at the Cephissus cannot have happened yet,
> either.
> 
> Yet she seems to know Sev. If that meeting in the
> throne room was not her
> first, when could she have known him earlier, if not
> from their coming
> encounter (coming from Sev's point of view) after
> the flood?
> 
> -Roy
> 
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