(urth) Borrowed Man writeup
Ab de Vos
foxyab at casema.nl
Mon Oct 1 14:56:35 PDT 2018
The names Arabella and Colette refer both via via vaguely to male
catholic saints: Gregory the Great and Nicolas. Relevant??
Red and Blue are primary colors: yellow is missing. Is A Borrowed Man's
world a world without a sun? I found a few references to night time but
not to day time. Is it a world without a salvation, a sort of hell? How
would time be measured?
There is also systematic discrimination of reclones which even sounds a
bit like negroes.
Op 1-10-2018 om 18:23 schreef Marc Aramini:
> That damn taffy ... Arabella and food. Saltwater, seascape - cold
> brook. For real though, how is anybody supposed to figure out which of
> the searchers is most associated with red? And the green ... I think
> Wolfe mapped these colors allegorically onto one particular thing in
> each case but how we can untangle that is still ... nebulous.
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018, Robert Pirkola <rpirkola at hotmail.com
> <mailto:rpirkola at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On October 1, 2018 Marc Aramini wrote:
>
> >And violet is more of a mix between blue and red, the color of the planets
> >involved. However, besides the red cars (Geraldine, female persona of male
> >comedian flip Wilson) ... what is red? What to do with this?
>
> There are a couple of other references to red in the book. Ern
> says that he wrote a series involving a character called The Red
> Searcher (pg. 112). There are red leather bar stools at Coldbrook
> manor (pg. 197). Payne uses the term "macro-red" in some
> inscrutably slangy way: Ern: "You must find it unpleasant, I'm
> sure." Payne: "You bet we do. It's macro-red. If you can tell
> me anything that might help, I'll be your friend for life, and
> that's no chad, see?" (pg. 132). Arabella remembers saltwater
> taffy that came in a box decorated with a seascape. The taffies
> themselves were in "red, blue, and green wrappers". (pg. 91).
> RBG in Wolfe-land does not make me think of a Supreme Court Justice.
>
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> Auto correct strikes: were is weer.
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> On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com
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> > Also, roglich gives them a second book in a blue binding. It has
> > equations. Equations are mentioned as omitted on page 221 as a
> secret,
> > where the burning man imagery starts. There are multiple copies
> of that
> > book of equations, on the second shelf. I think that resonates with
> > Arabella... but why equations? It is also to the bookcase that
> Roglich
> > speaks.
> > I think after 2001 Wolfe put more and more exposition in the
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> > symbols - they have been there before even Peace (Ben yahya- son
> of John
> > (were), Elia- olive: Olivia etc but now they are
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> Speaking of all the Co- names, when roglich points to the book he
> starts
> stuttering:? I-I ... c-could you bring me a copy of my book ... a
> th-thin
> book in a b-b-blue binding.? (82-3) I really think there is a
> relationship
> there.
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> On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com
> <mailto:marcaramini at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > Auto correct strikes: were is weer.
> >
> > On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Marc Aramini
> <marcaramini at gmail.com <mailto:marcaramini at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Also, roglich gives them a second book in a blue binding. It has
> >> equations. Equations are mentioned as omitted on page 221 as a
> secret,
> >> where the burning man imagery starts. There are multiple copies
> of that
> >> book of equations, on the second shelf. I think that resonates with
> >> Arabella... but why equations? It is also to the bookcase that
> Roglich
> >> speaks.
> >> I think after 2001 Wolfe put more and more exposition in the
> embedded
> >> symbols - they have been there before even Peace (Ben yahya-
> son of John
> >> (were), Elia- olive: Olivia etc but now they are
> >
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> Marc:
> I am reading through the write-up. You pointed out that you felt
> after writing it that there is some connection between Arabella
> and sandwiches. With that in mind, this stuck out to me from your
> writing: "[C]ould it be that Ern actually represents one which
> fits one side of the door but not the other? Would Arabella
> constitute the other side, assuming that her proliferation is
> slightly unnatural?" Ern on one side of the door, Arabella on the
> other -- a sandwich.
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> Yes I really think this is the case.
> I am going to revise the ending a bit with these thoughts in mind
> but not
> too much - still going to leave that ?open? conclusion. Hope you
> don?t mind
> the quotes in there I used the list heavily in this one.
> On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Robert Pirkola
> <rpirkola at hotmail.com <mailto:rpirkola at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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> > Marc:
> > I am reading through the write-up. You pointed out that you
> felt after
> > writing it that there is some connection between Arabella and
> sandwiches.
> > With that in mind, this stuck out to me from your writing:
> "[C]ould it be
> > that Ern actually represents one which fits one side of the door
> but not
> > the other? Would Arabella constitute the other side, assuming
> that her
> > proliferation is slightly unnatural?" Ern on one side of the door,
> > Arabella on the other -- a sandwich.
> >
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