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On Friday, October 17, 2014 12:09 PM, António Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> wrote:
 

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>I asked that because one has to know what one is dealing with. I do not enjoy having my position be misunderstood. Math-oriented folks usually like to be rigorous in their exchanges. I said absolutely nothing about wanting or not wanting to be chained to logic; this discussion is not about personal wishes.
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>No dia 17/10/2014, às 15:38, "Norwood, Frederick Hudson" <NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> escreveu:
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>I did not mean to be calling you names.  You said you did not want to be chained to logic; that sounds like post-modernism to me.  I apologize if you think of post-modernism differently.
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>Yes, I have formal training in mathematics.
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>Rick Norwood
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>From:Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of António Pedro Marques
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>I'm not anything of the sort. Just because the inadequacies of tools you thought all powerful are pointed out to you, it doesn't follow that you can go around calling others names.
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>Do you have formal higher training in Math?
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>No dia 17/10/2014, às 15:03, "Norwood, Frederick Hudson" <NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> escreveu:
>António Pedro Marques is at least unabashedly post-modern, refusing to be chained by logic.
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>>You, Marc Aramini, keep confusing logic with science.  Mathematics is built on logic.  If the premise becomes false, then you no longer apply modus ponens.  You don’t need to lose your head.  Every even number is divisible by two.  What if the original premise is “This number is odd.” Then the theorem doesn’t apply.  It doesn’t disprove modus ponens.
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>>Rick Norwood
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>>From:Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Marc Aramini
>>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:40 AM
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>>These are linguistic truths built into the definitions themselves ... 
>>the statement if A then B is either true linguistically 
>>or it isn't, in which case the premise was wrong.  It doesn't mean much else.
>>ie "If I have no head I will die." technology advances, and now I can live without a head - the original premise then becomes false.  Doesn't mean anything.
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>>On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Norwood, Frederick Hudson <NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote:
>>Modus ponens is unprovable.  You have to start somewhere.  Is it possible that modus ponens is false?  Of course it is possible.  I may be a madman, and modus ponens may not say what I think it says.  I may be the only creature in the universe, and modus ponens may really mean, "Thou art God."  But these objections can be raised in any discussion whatsoever, and after a while most people stop raising them.  If I am sane, and if modus ponens says what I think it says, then it seems to me bedrock on which to build.  Further, if there are cases where A implies B, A is true, and B is false, then that ends the discussion, because every statement is both true and false, and in that case there is no point in saying anything at all.
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>>>Rick Norwood
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>>>From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Jeffery Wilson clueland.com
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>>>On 10/16/2014 7:07 AM, Norwood, Frederick Hudson wrote:
>>>> Jeffery Wilson:  I do say A is A.  That's called the reflexive property of equality.  And, yes, I've read the Lewis Carroll bit.  Even wrote a poem about it.
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>>>If you already know that the modus ponens is unprovable, and are familiar with reflexive equality which is axiomatic, why are you bothering to hold up modus ponens as an example of an absolute truth?
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