(urth) resurrecting a 2002 thread that posits an alternative lineage for Sev
Norwood, Frederick Hudson
NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu
Fri Oct 10 06:18:23 PDT 2014
If He gets bored, he can always smite a few Philistines.
There is a Psalm where God fights a dragon, and another Psalm where God sits in a pantheon of Gods, sort of like a primitive Justice League.
I trust you are all familiar with the South Park pantheon which, if memory serves, consists of Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, and Aquaman.
Rick Norwood
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His position outside Time also prevents his becoming terminally bored from all that omniscience, I hope.
On 10/9/2014 12:37 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
> Frederick, no. God did not "decide" who would be damned/saved; He
> *knew* who would be damned/saved. There is a key difference. He
> creates beings with free will, but because of omniscience and His
> position outside of Time, he knows in advance what they will do and
> how He will respond to those actions.
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Norwood, Frederick Hudson
> <NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu <mailto:NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu>> wrote:
>
> I didn't find even a hint of free will in the Bible. God decided
> who would be damned and who would be saved before he created the
> universe. That doesn't leave much room for free will.
>
> On the other hand, I once published a paper proving that action by
> an effort of will is at least possible, else consciousness would
> never have evolved. It couldn't contribute to survival and
> reproduction if it couldn't do anything.
>
> Rick Norwood
>
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> <mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net>] On Behalf Of Gerry Quinn
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:48 AM
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>
> On 07/10/2014 14:58, Lee wrote:
> > I'd add to that the paradox of Free Will. How can an all-powerful,
> > all-knowing Creator construct every molecule of a human being and
> > claim to not know what that human being will do when faced with
> > temptation?
>
> Does He claim that?
>
> > I am not at all religious myself. But I know Gene Wolfe is. So
> when I
> > enter his worlds and try to understand them, unlike the real
> world, I
> > have to become something of a Christian and take leaps of faith and
> > accept essential contradictions and otherwise become a bit
> religious.
> > I think that is necessary when you are trying to understand a
> > fictionally created world. Intent and meaning become more important
> > than logic and science. For the natural world, I think science works
> > better.
>
> The same problem arises in science. As far as we know
> scientifically, a robot with a computer brain could - and perhaps
> soon will - be manufactured. This robot may have a determinate
> programming, such that we can predict by simulation how he will
> respond to any stimulus. Yet we know of no 'scientific' reason
> why he should not have free will just as much as we do.
>
> [You could put a random number generator based on quantum
> decisions in his brain to make him sometimes unpredictable on
> principle. But making him act erratically for no good reason
> hardly enhances his free will!]
>
> See also Newcomb's Paradox.
>
> - Gerry Quinn
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