(urth) Fresh From the Solar Cycle
danldo at gmail.com
Tue Feb 11 20:02:24 PST 2014
WRT you question about whether there's a compilation of the theories -- not
as such. But it would be worth reading Michael Andre-Driussi's books on the
subject, which are more lexicons with occasional theorizing, because they
help put everything into perspective of everything else.
You might also read Marc Aramini's essay which goes into a great deal of
detail on the Green-is-Urth theory.
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Dan Harris <yoje110 at gmail.com> wrote:
> First-time poster with a lot on my mind. I just finished the Book of the
> Short Sun last week, and have been digesting the series (along with New and
> Long Sun) for a short while, checking my own observations against other
> interpretations, many of which are posted here (and most of which are more
> comprehensive and plausible than my own), which means there's been quite a
> bit of browsing this mailing list's past, though I haven't had the time to
> read it in its entirety, and I'm sure to have missed plenty.
> First I have a related question to that, before I start digging into the
> details. Is there anywhere that anyone has gone about compiling in a more
> easily browsed way, the various theories regarding the series? Clearly we
> don't all agree on a single interpretation, though there are some that are
> more widely accepted (or at least considered) than others, and it seems to
> me that it would be great to have them available in a more convenient
> format. I've done a little searching, but haven't come across anything of
> the sort yet.
> Now for a fun topic that I've seen in the archives a few times: Blue and
> Green, and how they relate to Urth. I've seen folks theorizing that Blue
> is post-flood Urth and that Green is Luna. It seems like an obvious
> association considering state of both the Urth and Luna at the end of Urth
> of the New Sun, but the obvious association was exactly what turned me off
> from it right off the bat, and started me looking for an alternate
> explanation. Others have posited that Green is Urth, and Blue is "maybe
> Mars/Something made by the Heirogrommates/Who knows?" Green as Urth was
> definitely my take on it as well. As others have no doubt pointed out,
> there's the Green Man from New Sun, who (if I'm remembering right) claims
> to be from a far future where humans have evolved to make use of
> Photosynthesis in the wake of the New Sun coming, along with the City of
> the Inhumi and its River resembling the Citadel/Nessus and Gyoll. That
> along with turning that expected association on its head was enough to put
> me on track to thinking Green was Urth.
> I had some idea that the Neighbors were related to the trees, but I hadn't
> quite made the connection that several people have, in that they are or
> have become the trees themselves. That would make a lot of sense if they
> are further evolved forms of New Sun's Green Man. The connection of the
> Inhumi to the Lianas is another one that I hadn't quite pieced together,
> but appeals to me since I was already thinking the Inhumi were possibly
> somehow related to New Sun's Nenuphars. I don't have a strong reasoning to
> support that--that the Inhumi are born in the river that I believe to be
> Gyoll, have come to represent death, and the prominence of the Nenuphar in
> New Sun just added up to a subconscious association (though the
> similarities between the "choking Lianas" and the Nunuphar's net-like roots
> do strengthen that association a bit in my mind).
> So where does that leave Blue? It seems odd to have a planet that just
> happens to have arrived in the Solar System close enough that it strongly
> affects the tides, and is there with no real explanation. I've had some
> thoughts that I haven't seen here, though it's entirely plausible that I've
> missed something. I've started to suspect (though I'm far from making a
> claim that I suppose it to be true) that Blue is also Urth, but an Urth of
> a different time. That the Inhumi have the strange ability to allow
> Silkhorn to travel through space and time seems important to me beyond just
> the characters themselves traveling. It seems that the immense Inhumi
> population on Green may be allowing the planet itself to move irregularly
> through time. This could explain its orbit being similar enough to bring
> it into near contact with Blue. It seems to me that it could even be an
> alternate reality Urth. In Book of the New Sun, we see a tower that, in
> its windows, Severian witnesses a future where the New Sun has not come.
> It seems at least somewhat plausible to me that in the presence of
> widespread life that can travel through time, we might see similar versions
> of the Urth in near-proximity space.
> The Inhumi flying by their own propulsion between the two worlds through
> the void of space never did quite add up for me, and their trip being one
> through time would be potentially just as dangerous and traumatic, while
> still being within the time/space-bending capabilities we see from the
> Inhumi throughout the series. Some reasons why this doesn't add up for me
> so far include the fact that we do have physical travel from Blue to Green,
> where the travelers do not arrive as insubstantial apparitions, and Green
> is regularly visible in Blue's night sky as a physical object, which means
> that it can't simply be in another time during those periods.
> This has gone a lot longer than I intended my first post to, and I'm sure
> much of it has probably been discussed and discredited years ago, but I
> hadn't found much relating to this specifically, and my enthusiasm for the
> work is hard reign in.
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