(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10

[Marc Aramini]

This one will always be my hobgoblin no matter how many other of my readings are seen as plausible, probably from the heaps and heaps (and heaps) of abuse it garnered circa 2002.   

It is quite literally the story of humanities destiny- sev's salvation turns out to be not at all for mankind, an his new world becomes hellish for those who don't move on, completely unrecognizable. Terrible and unforeseeable, not a cliche the way he does it. 

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On Oct 11, 2013, at 12:40 AM, Andreas Johansson <andreas.havok at gmail.com> wrote:

> Seems more and more as if the relations between "our" solar system an that of Blue should be considered symbolical, another doppelgänger. Which has a very rational explanation - Typhon sent the Whorl to colonize another planet, seems reasonable that he should send it to a planet that resembles a pristine Urth. A very down-to-earth, common sense explanation that's not very satisfying, but nonetheless it gives all the mind-blowing depth of Wolfe a refreshing rationality. Which is of course already there, the SF tropes hinted at from time to time (it's still just a generation ship run by computer-gods, loaded with deeper meaning). 
>  
> And come to think of it, Urthlings in our deep future/Severian's deep past travelled all across the galaxy, right? Are Horn & the other whorlings necessary the first humans to reach Blue & Green?
>  
> Was going to ask also about the chronological work-out between the Whorl and Urth, since Typhon's reign seems to be much more than three centuries past from Severian's age (if the astral projection to Urth isn't a time travel as well), but then I realized: time dilation & relativity. Ship time doesn't equal planet time - who knows how long the Whorl was really out there, and how far they've travelled? The crew at the East Pole could surely answe that but then again no-one asks them. Fascinating how Wolfe created the Whorl cultures in such a pre-enlightenment setting.
>  
> (still just scratching the surface of discussions that must've gone before, but there is no possiblity to read through all the Urthlist archive - even though I'm often tempted haggling through dull days like these at the library...)
>  
> /Andreas
>  
> -----------
> The thing, the thing is, that if Urth is Green then there's no easy
> explanation, but if Urth is Blue, then the obvious explanation for the Ring
> of Glass is that it's the ruins of Father Inire's Atropaic Gardens. (I hope
> I'm remembering that name right.)
> Perhaps *both *Blue and Green are Urth?
> 
> --
> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
> 
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