(urth) vanished people=hieros

[James Wynn]

> On 11/11/2011 8:13 AM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
>> *From:* Lee Berman
>> Sure, Orion rises in the east. But not at dawn, if it wants to be 
>> visible.
>
> David Stockhoff wrote:
> Not at dawn.
> BEFORE dawn.

The thing is, if he has risen, he is not visible if he is still in the 
East. I really dislike the visual aesthetics here. I'll ask Mr. Khayyam 
what his intention was if I see him at the next convention.
;-)