(urth) (no subject)

[Thomas Bitterman]

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:43 PM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Thomas Bitterman-
>
> It is entirely possible that the atomic bombs were not the cause of
> Japanese surrender.  Some Japanese principals have denied that the bombs
> were a major factor, citing instead the Russian invasion. In any case,
> invasion wasn't the only other option - a blockade along with continued
> bombing was also an option, and would have almost certainly succeeded
> (albeit more slowly).
>
>
> As in North Korea?
>

Japan was not connected to a much larger country that was actively
supporting it.  Also, we have not continued bombing North Korea in the
manner we would have continued bombing Japan in the scenario I actually
presented.  Japan had no oil and was busy starving.


> Do you really think we could have pulled off such a blockade during the
> Cold War with China and the Soviet Union right off of Japan's coast?
>

Why not?  What were China and the Soviet Union going to do?  Run the
blockade because they liked Japan so much?


> I think the idea that the bombing wasn't THE factor in the surrender is
> extremely wishful thinking.
>

Yet that is what is maintained by several people who should know - people
who were directly involved in the decision.  Perhaps they are unreliable,
but that could be true of anybody.


> There was likely a  Japanese ministers or two who thought privately that
> surrender would be a good idea. But the military and emperor called the
> shots.  If the Japanese didn't surrender after the loss of Okinawa, it is
> improbable that they would have capitulated to the loss of some small
> islands (which the Soviets didn't take until after Hiroshima). And anyway,
> they didn't surrender after the loss of those islands. They surrendered
> after Nagasaki.
>

The Soviets invaded Manchuria (a sizeable land area, not some small islands)
right about the same time as Nagasaki.  Again, Wikipedia with the info.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20110119/ee72dbbd/attachment-0004.htm>