<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:43 PM, James Wynn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crushtv@gmail.com">crushtv@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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It is entirely possible that the atomic bombs were not the cause
of Japanese surrender. Some Japanese principals have denied that
the bombs were a major factor, citing instead the Russian
invasion. In any case, invasion wasn't the only other option - a
blockade along with continued bombing was also an option, and
would have almost certainly succeeded (albeit more slowly).<br>
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As in North Korea? </div></blockquote><div><br>Japan was not connected to a much larger country that was actively supporting it. Also, we have not continued bombing North Korea in the manner we would have continued bombing Japan in the scenario I actually presented. Japan had no oil and was busy starving.<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Do you really think we could have pulled off such
a blockade during the Cold War with China and the Soviet Union right
off of Japan's coast? </div></blockquote><div><br>Why not? What were China and the Soviet Union going to do? Run the blockade because they liked Japan so much?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">I think the idea that the bombing wasn't THE
factor in the surrender is extremely wishful thinking. </div></blockquote><div><br>Yet that is what is maintained by several people who should know - people who were directly involved in the decision. Perhaps they are unreliable, but that could be true of anybody.<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">There was
likely a Japanese ministers or two who thought privately that
surrender would be a good idea. But the military and emperor called
the shots. If the Japanese didn't surrender after the loss of
Okinawa, it is improbable that they would have capitulated to the
loss of some small islands (which the Soviets didn't take until
after Hiroshima). And anyway, they didn't surrender after the loss
of those islands. They surrendered after Nagasaki.<br>
</div></blockquote></div><br>The Soviets invaded Manchuria (a sizeable land area, not some small islands) right about the same time as Nagasaki. Again, Wikipedia with the info.<br>