(urth) Green is Urth Redux

[Marc Aramini]

sigh ... I sent Gene a christmas card with eyes in a tree, a long haired man with a staff which I drew a face on, and  a letter that pretty much said where I was interpretationally with everything, from Horn in Silk to trees eating things and spitting out hybrids, but I said, I just can't get a direct mechanism to make Blue Urth in those scenes, does he pass through the same boundary the ship in Urth of the New Sun does to arrive in the past?  There WAS no mechanismfor the transfer to Blue, but these images of time and "don't listen to my words" etc and the hybridization to make a vegetable human cross were so Green Man resonant I knew this was the future Urth thematically, I was sure Gene had hidden who what when where and why for this book as his starting point.  On the back of his card to me, gene wrote "no,no,NO! Green is URTH!!!"  I knew I didn't have a mechanism for the transfer, I know Gene's rules.  He told me that, and I saw Silk's mechanism for
 the transfer right there, he thought about Green before the evil.  Those mechanisms don't just show up from metaphor.  

He does not want to expand on it, was sorry he told me, asked me not to share it, but Gevers had taken some steps in subborning the information out of me and contacting Gene right away, so between the Gevers and I we pretty much shut down on any further comment on the issue, and Gene expressed a wish that it not be shared further.  Metaphors don't have textual mechanisms, which is all I'm saying.

Of course, this time Gene hid the truth so well, even when people hear it nobody believes it.  wow.

 
--- On Mon, 1/10/11, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com>
> Subject: (urth) Green is Urth Redux
> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 7:00 PM
> 
> 
> I keep thinking about the Urth is Green theory. Was that
> the direct Wolfe quote, "No, no, Green is Urth"? 
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>  
> I still kinda like Duko Rigoglio's words and Valeria's
> Tower as suggesting that Nessus extends beyond
> the boundaries of Urth. Maybe to Green. But since I heard
> the WOlfe quote, I know Marc needs more than that.
>  
> Lately David's Shadow Children as faerie (=primeval beings)
> theory has me thinking about the dark side of 
> Creation a lot. There is something about the concept of
> Blue and Green that invokes Creation. Perhaps it is
> the juxtapostion of science and religion. Science holds
> that creation of life occured in water while 
> (judeo-christian) religion says it was in a jungle....I
> dunno.
>  
> Anyway, I'm wondering if the message to Marc about Green
> being Urth was meant as a metaphor. Later Wolfe 
> couldn't go back and explain because he felt he'd already
> said too much. COuld it be that Wolfe was suggesting 
> that Green is more analagous to Urth because it is the
> planet in need of a Flood? Blue has already had one. 
> Horn gives Green a minor flood wielding a sword and a
> light, maybe to give us a hint as to what is needed there. 
> (as Severian gives Thrax prison a minor flood foreshadowing
> Ushas and as earth's Hercules' Augean Stables
> foreshadows..welll..anyway).
>  
> The wording of James Jordan's question was:
> >JJ: Aww, why not? I might as well at least ask one of
> the $64,000 questions, so I'll just go for broke. 
> >(Hmm. I've gotta be very precise here. Okay, here
> goes:) Which of the following, if any, are physically 
> >(not in some merely literary or symbolic sense) the
> same planets as Blue and Green, in the same order?:
> >Ushas and Lune
> >Urth and Lune
> >Lune and Ushas
> >Lune and Urth
> >Two Urths
> >Two Ushases
> >Two Lunes
>  
> >GW: None. 
>  
> To get a positive answer, perhaps JJ needed to offer "Ushas
> and Urth" as a choice and allow for a literary or 
> symbolic connection.    
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