(urth) grumble at wolfe comment made attached to guardianarticle

[David Stockhoff]

On 2/8/2011 3:48 PM, Lee Berman wrote:
>
>> Why aren't there any Vanished People in the Whorl?
>
> Perhaps there are. Maybe in electronic form? I think it would please
> James if creatures with windy names were associated with Typhon/Pas.
>
> My interpretation of Juganu's words is that the conflict/symbiosis
> between Neighbors and Inhumi has been going on for a long time and
> has been carried to various other worlds  giving rise to mythological
> stories on Urth and even Earth. Apollonian and Dionysian (light and dark)
> contrasts go back to the orgins of the universes.
>
>> Roy C. Lackey- The inhumi were introduced into the LSW by the Neighbors.
>> Windcloud was one of them:
>> "I was one of those who boarded your whorl when it neared our sun. In the
>> _Whorl_, I made the acquaintance of many of your race, and I have known
>> others since, on both the whorls we once called ours."
>
> Sure, that could be the answer. Better than boring through the hull, anyway.
> Still, there are some problems. First, how long ago was this Neighbor visit to
> the Whorl? I agree with Stu there is a question of how long was the
> infiltration and establishment by Quetzal. It seems pretty long. How long has
> the Whorl been in orbit?
>
> Second, if the Neighbors were on the Whorl in recent times, why isn't that
> discussed in Long Sun? The presence of Quetzal suggests certainly they made
> an appearance in Viron. At least loquacious Lemur or somebody should have made
> mention of the appearance of a creature with an indeterminate number of legs, heads,
> bodies, whatever. What form did the Neighbors (and Inhumi) take during this
> infection? Who were the "many" acquaintances and why did we not hear from them? 		 	   		
The Whorl is a large place. Like Tzadkiel's Ship, it seems almost to 
contain a universe, not a small planet. It has a cargo full of sheep, as 
well as bays of clones and embryos to shepherd them.

It also has a crew or crews in the form of people like the flyers, 
correct? Is it unreasonable to assume that certain tribes aboard the 
LSW, especially those housed near its fore and aft ends and/or closer to 
its skin, are people the Neighbors might prefer to contact, avoiding the 
sheep themselves? Such people are accustomed to knowing things they do 
not share with the sheep, but once the Neighbors made themselves 
generally known in the towns there would be no going back.

The timing of the LSW's arrival seems to encompass important events: (1) 
detection by the Neighbors and their boarding/insertion of Quetzal (2) 
the beginning of the Whorl's breakdown leading to its evacuation. I 
don't think several decades is a long time for a large 
spaceship/asteroid to orbit a sun before these things happen, in a 
universe where there is no Lt. Uhura to announce incoming alien 
starships to Captain Kirk. This isn't Rendezvous with Rama.

BTW, is there a consensus on the exact relation of the planets Blue and 
Green? Do they orbit one another as a single system, or do they orbit 
the sun on opposite sides, as do Earth and Gor?


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