(urth) Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous thoughts on Wolfe")

brunians at brunians.org brunians at brunians.org
Fri Jun 4 14:34:37 PDT 2010


It goes back a lot further than that.

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> In the sense that (and in the cults where) archons are demiurges, yeah.
> In some cases, the world was made with the assistance of angels and this
> explains why the World is broken. That's not just Gnosticism. That's
> Kabbala. It goes all the way back to the Jewish philosopher Philo (who
> also provided the technical terminology for the 1st chapter of the
> Gospel of John; so there's your connection between Apostolic Christians
> and Gnostics).
>
> However, typically when one refers to The Demiurge, there is a
> distinction between him and the other archons. Since Pas alone gets
> credit for making the Whorl, it's The Demiurge that is being referenced.
>
>> Jibrail is a demiurge.
>>
>>> >  Okay. But I'm talking about the particular famous demiurge of 1st&
>>> 2nd
>>> >  c. Christian Gnostics. The one who was supposed to have spoken to
>>> Moses.
>>> >  The one I think Typhon/Pas models.
>>> >  There are lots of various actions of an antichrist as well, I
>>> suppose.
>>> >  He might only mislead regarding the Gospel.
>>> >
>>>
>>>> >>  A demiurge is a ranking celestial who has been assigned by God to
>>>> >>  perform
>>>> >>  a particular task.
>
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