(urth) Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous thoughts on Wolfe")

[brunians at brunians.org]

I am from this planet.

Besides Nietzche and myself, who else has this idea?

.


> I'm never sure what planet you're from.
>
> For the record, Nietzsche shared your view that there was some biological
> benefit to preserving the seed.  He too was a bit of a nutter.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>
>> It is biologically based.
>>
>> If a man does not have orgasms, he becomes capable to perform certain
>> spiritual acts which he cannot otherwise perform, or not as well.
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> > I disagree with that, actually.
>> >
>> > I recognize that, oh, historically, there were various secular causes
>> for
>> > priestly celibacy.  But there's a pretty well-established human
>> impulse
>> to
>> > recognize things associated with the transcendent or divine by
>> "setting
>> > them
>> > apart," and requiring that the intermediaries between God and man give
>> up
>> > some form of "normal" human life is a perfectly natural way for that
>> > impulse
>> > to be satisfied.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Priests are celibate for reasons which have nothing to do with
>> religion
>> >> per se.
>> >>
>> >> .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > How Catholic is the Chapter, really?
>> >> >
>> >> > Naturally there are elements in the liturgy and priestly celibacy.
>> >> But
>> >> > the
>> >> > Catholic liturgy did not spring forth fully formed either, and
>> >> priestly
>> >> > celibacy is not a uniquely Christian practice either (many Buddhist
>> >> > groups,
>> >> > um...Vestal Virgins...have to be others as well).
>> >> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On the other hand, it is possible for a "Catholic Church" to have
>> >> been
>> >> >> established in the Commonwealth without a Jesus (complete with
>> >> crosses)
>> >> >> merely in correspondence to the vibrations of our Universe, just
>> as
>> >> in
>> >> >> Green's dimension (There Are Doors) grooms wear black at weddings
>> >> only
>> >> >> because they do it in Lara's dimension.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In that case, the Chapter is a parody of an echo. But somehow I
>> find
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> less satisfying.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> J.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> True for just about any character in a Wolfe story.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> I'm not sure how trustworthy a source Lemur is...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM, James Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> Doesn't Wolfe undermine the idea that Urth's universe has no
>> Jesus
>> >> in
>> >> >>>>> "The
>> >> >>>>> Book of the Long Sun"? Lemur told Silk that Scylla founded the
>> >> >>>>> Chapter
>> >> >>>>> as a
>> >> >>>>> "parody of the state religion of her own whorl". I suppose it
>> is
>> >> >>>>> possible to
>> >> >>>>> claim that that "state religion" was not Catholicism, but I
>> don't
>> >> >>>>> know
>> >> >>>>> why
>> >> >>>>> anyone would bother.
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