(urth) traveling north

brunians at brunians.org brunians at brunians.org
Thu Jun 3 04:06:42 PDT 2010


Sounds plausible.

Wolfe told me that Severian is part of the Mystical Body of Christ.

Does this fit in with that?

.


> Among the things I think the story is meant to show
>
> 1)  If Jesus Christ didn't exist, we'd have to invent a roughly similar
> figure,
>
> 2)  If that roughly similar figure was a flawed human being, the resulting
> religion would be considerable worse (Wolfe cheats here--Severian isn't a
> great sage or moral teacher--the Christ-figure of his world's religion was
> generally not a nice man), and
>
> 3)  Because all faiths are salvific insofar as they participate in truth,
> even the mock-Christianity of the New Sun world leads to genuine moments
> of
> grace.
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:53 AM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>
>> Severian is the Conciliator.
>>
>> Or am I missing something?
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I agree. The Conciliator was the "jesus" of Urth. And that already
>> > happened in the past of Urth.
>> >
>> >> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:00:40 -0400
>> >> From: eugene.zar at gmail.com
>> >> To: urth at lists.urth.net
>> >> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > FWIW, my opinion is that Urth is presented as less spiritually
>> >> > advanced than Earth, notably lacking two important earthly
>> >> > spiritual events, The Flood and the Coming of Jesus. Thus,
>> >> > Severian has his roles to play. The Urth we are reading about
>> >> > is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its
>> >> > spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which
>> >> > plagued our pagan ancestors.
>> >>
>> >> Wasn't the Conciliator the Jesus-like figure? Severian seemed to me
>> to
>> >> be very much non-divine. Quite the opposite, he very specifically
>> >> comes from a very dark place, and rises to his status as savior.
>> >> Severian's respect for the Increate and the sun itself is apparent
>> >> early in the book, so I suspect Severian's story was meant to, in
>> >> part, show where the spiritual path you claim is lacking leads:
>> >> salvation.
>> >>
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