(urth) Nazca Lines

Sat Jul 24 10:49:19 PDT 2010

Nope, I don't have any personal experience or first hand knowlege about it. It just seemed that you were presenting the "city as a port" as fact instead of as an hypothesis (and one that seem rather weak, although still a possibility).

> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:42:39 -0400
> From: brunians at brunians.org
> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines
> 
> As I mentioned, it is controversial.
> 
> I am well aware, thank you, of the history of the controversy.
> 
> If you have any knowledge about this - you personally - I would be more
> than happy to hear what you have to say.
> 
> .
> 
> 
> >
> > From all I've read, the idea that the city is a port seems to be based on
> > little. It was first proposed by Posnansky in the 40's but the evidence is
> > far from conclusive. Some of his assumptions have actually been disputed
> > by more recent geomorphological studies.
> >
> >
> >
> > This links resume well some of the evidence:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/pyrophyllite/Tiwanaku.html
> >
> >
> >
> > It also seems that the actual lake port was at Iwawe, which was connected
> > by road to Tiwanaku (according to Browman, 1981).
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know, but I don't see conclusive evidence for stating that the
> > city was built as a pot at all.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, the city is about 10-12 km from the lake.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:31:44 -0400
> >> From: brunians at brunians.org
> >> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> >> Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines
> >>
> >> Because they built it that way.
> >>
> >> Perhaps I do not understand you.
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Why is it a port?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Pedro
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:10:28 -0400
> >> >> From: brunians at brunians.org
> >> >> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> >> >> Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines
> >> >>
> >> >> > Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe,
> >> >>
> >> >> And if the story were set in Europe, that would be something to say.
> >> >>
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > example. But yes, it fits neatly.
> >> >>
> >> >> > One minor problem with a South American location is that those
> >> signs
> >> >> are
> >> >> > almost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region.
> >> But
> >> >> > if they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that
> >> might
> >> >> > solve the problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> As all here should be aware, there is a longstanding controversy over
> >> >> the
> >> >> dates of Tiahuanaco or whatever they are calling it these days.
> >> >>
> >> >> The construction of this city is remarkably advanced.
> >> >>
> >> >> It is modular: like modern concrete block construction, although of
> >> >> course
> >> >> the units used are different.
> >> >>
> >> >> The city is a port.
> >> >>
> >> >> The last time the lake was anywhere near it - as in, within a hundred
> >> >> miles - was twelve thousand years ago or so.
> >> >>
> >> >> .
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Lee Berman wrote:
> >> >> >> I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery
> >> >> >> of the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in
> >> >> >> southern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they
> >> >> did a
> >> >> >> lot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think
> >> of
> >> >> >> Apu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The general anthropological conclusion is that these people
> >> resorted
> >> >> >> to massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever
> >> increased-sized
> >> >> >> line
> >> >> >> drawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred
> >> >> >> years as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving
> >> >> >> culture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly
> >> >> >> asserting
> >> >> >> itself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense
> >> >> >> religious
> >> >> >> expressions each year as they realized the previous year's head
> >> chop
> >> >> >> sacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the
> >> >> deities.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe
> >> to
> >> >> >> create
> >> >> >> Urth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought.
> >> But
> >> >> >> perhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had
> >> an
> >> >> >> impact
> >> >> >> on him.
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