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Nope, I don't have any personal experience or first hand knowlege about it. It just seemed that you were presenting the "city as a port" as fact instead of as an hypothesis (and one that seem rather weak, although still a possibility).<BR>
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<BR> <BR>> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:42:39 -0400<BR>> From: brunians@brunians.org<BR>> To: urth@lists.urth.net<BR>> Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines<BR>> <BR>> As I mentioned, it is controversial.<BR>> <BR>> I am well aware, thank you, of the history of the controversy.<BR>> <BR>> If you have any knowledge about this - you personally - I would be more<BR>> than happy to hear what you have to say.<BR>> <BR>> .<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> > From all I've read, the idea that the city is a port seems to be based on<BR>> > little. It was first proposed by Posnansky in the 40's but the evidence is<BR>> > far from conclusive. Some of his assumptions have actually been disputed<BR>> > by more recent geomorphological studies.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > This links resume well some of the evidence:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > http://members.cox.net/pyrophyllite/Tiwanaku.html<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > It also seems that the actual lake port was at Iwawe, which was connected<BR>> > by road to Tiwanaku (according to Browman, 1981).<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I don't know, but I don't see conclusive evidence for stating that the<BR>> > city was built as a pot at all.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Also, the city is about 10-12 km from the lake.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:31:44 -0400<BR>> >> From: brunians@brunians.org<BR>> >> To: urth@lists.urth.net<BR>> >> Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines<BR>> >><BR>> >> Because they built it that way.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Perhaps I do not understand you.<BR>> >><BR>> >> .<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Why is it a port?<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Pedro<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> >> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:10:28 -0400<BR>> >> >> From: brunians@brunians.org<BR>> >> >> To: urth@lists.urth.net<BR>> >> >> Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> > Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe,<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> And if the story were set in Europe, that would be something to say.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> > for<BR>> >> >> > example. But yes, it fits neatly.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> > One minor problem with a South American location is that those<BR>> >> signs<BR>> >> >> are<BR>> >> >> > almost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region.<BR>> >> But<BR>> >> >> > if they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that<BR>> >> might<BR>> >> >> > solve the problem.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> As all here should be aware, there is a longstanding controversy over<BR>> >> >> the<BR>> >> >> dates of Tiahuanaco or whatever they are calling it these days.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> The construction of this city is remarkably advanced.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> It is modular: like modern concrete block construction, although of<BR>> >> >> course<BR>> >> >> the units used are different.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> The city is a port.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> The last time the lake was anywhere near it - as in, within a hundred<BR>> >> >> miles - was twelve thousand years ago or so.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> .<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> ><BR>> >> >> ><BR>> >> >> > Lee Berman wrote:<BR>> >> >> >> I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery<BR>> >> >> >> of the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in<BR>> >> >> >> southern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they<BR>> >> >> did a<BR>> >> >> >> lot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think<BR>> >> of<BR>> >> >> >> Apu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.<BR>> >> >> >><BR>> >> >> >> The general anthropological conclusion is that these people<BR>> >> resorted<BR>> >> >> >> to massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever<BR>> >> increased-sized<BR>> >> >> >> line<BR>> >> >> >> drawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred<BR>> >> >> >> years as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving<BR>> >> >> >> culture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly<BR>> >> >> >> asserting<BR>> >> >> >> itself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense<BR>> >> >> >> religious<BR>> >> >> >> expressions each year as they realized the previous year's head<BR>> >> chop<BR>> >> >> >> sacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the<BR>> >> >> deities.<BR>> >> >> >><BR>> >> >> >> The research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe<BR>> >> to<BR>> >> >> >> create<BR>> >> >> >> Urth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought.<BR>> >> But<BR>> >> >> >> perhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had<BR>> >> an<BR>> >> >> >> impact<BR>> >> >> >> on him.<BR>> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________<BR>> >> >> >> Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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