(urth) Patera Inire

brunians at brunians.org brunians at brunians.org
Mon Jul 19 05:01:48 PDT 2010


Does Satan ever do anything without being commanded to by God?

The servant of the Great King does the Great King's will.

The will of the Great King is the will of the servant.

There is no God where I am.

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> Does Inire ever do anything without being commanded so by the Autarch?
>
> Lee Berman wrote:
>>
>> This is all good but not (I think) answering the question which is being
>> asked. Perhaps we've all seen the Christian bumper sticker which reads:
>> "I know the Future.  God wins".  So fine, we know that. No matter the
>> triumph of evil, we know God eventually uses that victory to His final
>> ends.
>> Does this mean Satanists and Hindus and atheists are purposefully
>> working toward
>> Christian goals because their actions will eventually lead to God's
>> victory?
>>
>> The question that is posed is whether Father Inire is consciously
>> working
>> toward bringing the New Sun. Of course whether the New Sun is an evil
>> event or
>> not has been debated in other threads. But let's assume that the New Sun
>> is, ultimately, a "good" thing intended to happen by the Increate. By
>> what
>> direct evidence do we know that Inire is consciously working toward
>> making
>> it happen? His mirrors, his vizier-hood, his architectural exploits, his
>> war and
>> procurement of weaponry from his alien cousins, his distance from B, F
>> and O and
>> Tzadkiel etc.; none seem to suggest Inire has the direct purpose of
>> helping Severian
>> bring the New Sun. He seems to be playing his own game.
>>
>> This gap of purpose for Inire has left me dissatisfied and forced to
>> seek another
>> interpretation of the guy. Casting him in the role of pagan god in the
>> face
>> of impending Christianity ties the story together for me. Not just
>> Inire's
>> governmental role but the veiled references to shapeshifting, monstrous
>> beings,
>> half-man half beasts, incest, angels etc. all tied together in a nice
>> pagan package.
>>
>> The Greek and Roman gods were associated with their respective empires.
>> Greek and Roman civilizations were the creche and nursery of a now
>> globe-spanning
>> religion. If the Olympian gods were actual, real beings (as Wolfe
>> believes they were)
>> would we want to say that Zeus and Hermes and Vulcan etc. spent their
>> immortal lives
>> consciously working toward the goal of Christianity? That's why they
>> promoted the
>> Greek and Roman empires, because they knew it would lead to Jesus? Did
>> Pas set up
>> the Whorl because he knew it would lead to the ascendence of the
>> Outsider?
>> I really can't see that.
>>
>> Likewise, while I can see Father Inire advancing the Commonwealth, it is
>> without
>> purposefully working toward the New Sun. My sense is that higher powers
>> made Inire's
>> Urthly efforts work for them. Bottom line, this guy isn't Typhon but he
>> is just too
>> creepy and ugly to be an angel. Perhaps the fall damaged him. Likely
>> Inire's
>> various corrupting influences are a big part of the reason a Flood is
>> needed.
>>
>> FWIW, this works for me. Understood if it makes no sense to others.
>>
>>
>>
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