(urth) Appearances of Inire

[António Pedro Marques]

John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 18:22):
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> 2010/7/1 António Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com
> <mailto:entonio at gmail.com>>
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>     John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 18:08):
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>         But the point I brought up is independent of whether the evil
>         power was created by God or bred by whoever.
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> Is it?  I dunno.  I think the existence of, say, hurricanes, or the
> bubonic plague, is potentially more troubling from a theodicy standpoint
> than the possibility that the free will of hman beings might create
> monstrous demigods as the Hierogrammates under Scenario 2 are.

Natural disasters aren't ever considered benign. They may be considered part 
of some higher purpose, but that's not what we're discussing here.

> Anyway I
> rather doubt that the author would agree that the existence of such
> beings is inconsistent with the existence of a traditionally-understood God.

A universe under the dominion of an evil being that poses and is seen as 
doing God's will is consistent with the existence of a benign God?

> Regardless, we are getting afield of the question.
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>          > I honestly think top-posting usually isn't helpful - maybe
>         it's early
>          > afternoon drowsiness but I can't grasp your point.
>          >
>          > John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 16:31):
>          >> Tdazkiel's people are themselves artificial...awfully difficult
>             to blame
>          >> God for their control over the universe.
>          >>
>          >> 2010/7/1 António Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com
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>         <mailto:entonio at gmail.com <mailto:entonio at gmail.com>>
>          >> <mailto:entonio at gmail.com <mailto:entonio at gmail.com>
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>          >>
>          >>     Option 2 I think is untenable.
>          >>
>          >>     - If God is good, then it makes no sense to create a
>         universe in
>          >> which:
>          >>       + God's creatures are toys in an evil power's hands
>          >>       + God's creatures believe that the evil power is not evil
>             at all
>          >>     and is doing God's work
>          >>       + those who oppose the evil power are not, generally
>         speaking,
>          >>     better people than the others, and in fact seem to be worse.
>          >>
>          >>     - If God isn't good then by what standard can we call
>         such an
>          >>     unfathomable being as Tzadkiel evil?
>          >>
>          >>     Keeping option 3 doesn't mean that the acts of Tzadkiel
>         need no
>          >>     atoning for, it just means they're done with the best of
>             intentions
>          >>     and knowledge. We have a saying here, 'Of [people with] good
>          >>     intentions is Hell full'.
>          >>
>          >>     Antonio
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