(urth) Is Severian A Real Person?

David Stockhoff dstockhoff at verizon.net
Sun Aug 1 16:57:20 PDT 2010


You're utterly lost, Josh.

brunians at brunians.org wrote:
> Stockhoff, take stock.
>
> Be a fucking weasel, see what happens.
>
> It probably won't come from me.
>
> .
>
>
>   
>> Which passage?
>>
>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>     
>>> Ah! You do in fact know what a scruple is.
>>>
>>> I thought that you had gone stupid on me.
>>>
>>> Why do you scruple to call the narrator Severian in that passage?
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I don't answer a silly question just because it's asked in a manner
>>>> that
>>>> is relatively civil, compared to most of that person's questions.
>>>>
>>>> Call it a scruple.
>>>>
>>>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> You don't know what a scruple is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Else you would have answered my more or less civil question.
>>>>>
>>>>> What character in the Book of the New Sun do you identify with and
>>>>> why?
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I could lend you some scruples, but you'd waste them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Because I enjoy fucking with weasels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's your forfeit to be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> I didn't mention Severian at all or even TBotNS, so I can't scruple
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do one or the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do you scruple to read people's posts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> What is a scruple, Stockhoff?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>> I recall another passage in another work, where the narrator
>>>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>> often thinks he doesn't drink enough water. I enjoy these
>>>>>>>>>>> mundane
>>>>>>>>>>> observations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> I did no such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> Still, you scruple to call the narrator Severian.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>> I recall another passage in another work, where the narrator
>>>>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>> often thinks he doesn't drink enough water. I enjoy these
>>>>>>>>>>>> mundane
>>>>>>>>>>>> observations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lee Berman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brunians- The only difference between Severian and you and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different Author
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I presume the Author of you and I is to be considered of an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too vast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> penetrating, universal, inhuman and mysterious to ever be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehended
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How true is that of the intelligence of the author of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Severian?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gurloes is a tragic and interesting figure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is father to Severian in a way that Palaemon is not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree. There are places in Wolfe's work where I am sure he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring to his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> own wife and children in addition to his fictional characters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> describes Master Gurloes as being tragic, a complex man trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone who eats too much and not often enough, seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> places.
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