(urth) BSG Spoiler

Son of Witz sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
Mon Mar 23 11:21:51 PDT 2009

yeah, but they kept up with after that. Anders repeated it once he got jacked in and all oracular.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jordon Flato [mailto:jordonflato at gmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:39 AM
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>Subject: Re: (urth) BSG Spoiler
>I took the Harbinger of Doom thing to be the fact that she led them to the
>first Blasted Earth.  That was pretty doomish, and she was responsible for
>that, too.
>On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:
>> This "Ancient Astronauts" sort of idea is one of the best aspects of the
>> endings.  all the cultural reports of knowledge being handed down from the
>> gods... funny.  OF course they had to get rid of the ships. there's none in
>> our archeological record. (not that they would care when deciding...)
>> couple things:
>> A few of the responses about how hard subsistence farming is, along with
>> the tone of some of the responses regarding primtive humans, makes it much
>> more clearer to me why Kara was the Harbinger Of Doom.  This sort of ending
>> is a doom for many people. Just as many people read the Urth/Ushas rebirth
>> as a horrible tragedy, many would see this the same.
>> Yeah, it would be really hard to live like that, but the point is that
>> they're going native.
>> If this story had one basic msg (along with it's many subthemes) it's that
>> our technology destroys us or alienates us from our humanity.  Moore's
>> answer is sort of comically simple. Throw it all away and go native. I
>> really took the ending as a sort of lark twist ending. The whole show had
>> been so serious, juggling one double edged sword after another. They just
>> used the classic tongue in cheek twist ending tone to give us our final
>> double edged sword as a sort of lighthearted joke.  It ties in very well
>> thematically,  if a little hard to swallow that everyone would go along with
>> it.
>> also: some grumbling over the fact that they spread out rather than forming
>> a society.  I'm sure that in the 40,000 left, some spread, some stayed
>> together.
>> Re: Adama choosing to live where Roslin died. It's LITERALLY perfect. He
>> took the prophesy absolutely to the letter. "The dying leader will guide
>> them to their new home"   Adama went with her all the way to the point where
>> she died, and that was his new home.  not one step further, not one step
>> back. They dying leader was dying all along, but she only really died then.
>>  so, a perfectly literal enactment of the prophesy.
>> also: some grumbling about Hera being useless in light of interbreeding
>> with Natives.  Nah. She was just the evidence and symbol of hope that showed
>> them the possibility and brought them together. There's nothing particular
>> about her genetics that is overridden by the native opportunity.  Just a
>> symbol and catalyst.
>> ~Witz
>> >The History Channel just aired a 2 hour "Ancient Astronauts" speical with
>> Erich Von Daniken that was pretty interesting....
>> >
>> >
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>> >--- On Sun, 3/22/09, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >From: James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
>> >Subject: Re: (urth) BSG Spoiler
>> >To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
>> >Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 2:37 PM
>> >
>> >> I think you underestimate the hardship of a subsistence lifestyle, no
>> >matter
>> >> the fertility of the area you reside in and cultivate.
>> >
>> >Of course they would not last a month as farmers. They would have to beg
>> their
>> >way into the indigenous tribes and learn to be hunter gatherers in order
>> to
>> >survive. Anyone who wants to understand how impossible it would be for
>> 99.999%
>> >of Americans and Western Europeans to go back only 150 years and start a
>> farm in
>> >Kansas should read the first couple Laura Engles Wilder books. Those
>> people
>> >spent their entire lives learning to subsistence farm and that was with
>> steel
>> >plows and tools.
>> >
>> >However, having the colonists interbreed with pre-historic humans is the
>> only
>> >thing about this ending that I didn't mind. It's TVish and hokey but it
>> >works thematically. You'd have to be at least in your 40s to remember the
>> >"Chariots of the Gods" documentary movie that so influenced the
>> >original BSG.  But the ending works at that level.
>> >
>> >J.
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