(urth) BSG Spoiler

Jordon Flato jordonflato at gmail.com
Mon Mar 23 10:39:07 PDT 2009

I took the Harbinger of Doom thing to be the fact that she led them to the
first Blasted Earth.  That was pretty doomish, and she was responsible for
that, too.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:

> This "Ancient Astronauts" sort of idea is one of the best aspects of the
> endings.  all the cultural reports of knowledge being handed down from the
> gods... funny.  OF course they had to get rid of the ships. there's none in
> our archeological record. (not that they would care when deciding...)
> couple things:
> A few of the responses about how hard subsistence farming is, along with
> the tone of some of the responses regarding primtive humans, makes it much
> more clearer to me why Kara was the Harbinger Of Doom.  This sort of ending
> is a doom for many people. Just as many people read the Urth/Ushas rebirth
> as a horrible tragedy, many would see this the same.
> Yeah, it would be really hard to live like that, but the point is that
> they're going native.
> If this story had one basic msg (along with it's many subthemes) it's that
> our technology destroys us or alienates us from our humanity.  Moore's
> answer is sort of comically simple. Throw it all away and go native. I
> really took the ending as a sort of lark twist ending. The whole show had
> been so serious, juggling one double edged sword after another. They just
> used the classic tongue in cheek twist ending tone to give us our final
> double edged sword as a sort of lighthearted joke.  It ties in very well
> thematically,  if a little hard to swallow that everyone would go along with
> it.
> also: some grumbling over the fact that they spread out rather than forming
> a society.  I'm sure that in the 40,000 left, some spread, some stayed
> together.
> Re: Adama choosing to live where Roslin died. It's LITERALLY perfect. He
> took the prophesy absolutely to the letter. "The dying leader will guide
> them to their new home"   Adama went with her all the way to the point where
> she died, and that was his new home.  not one step further, not one step
> back. They dying leader was dying all along, but she only really died then.
>  so, a perfectly literal enactment of the prophesy.
> also: some grumbling about Hera being useless in light of interbreeding
> with Natives.  Nah. She was just the evidence and symbol of hope that showed
> them the possibility and brought them together. There's nothing particular
> about her genetics that is overridden by the native opportunity.  Just a
> symbol and catalyst.
> ~Witz
> >The History Channel just aired a 2 hour "Ancient Astronauts" speical with
> Erich Von Daniken that was pretty interesting....
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >--- On Sun, 3/22/09, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >From: James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: (urth) BSG Spoiler
> >To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
> >Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 2:37 PM
> >
> >> I think you underestimate the hardship of a subsistence lifestyle, no
> >matter
> >> the fertility of the area you reside in and cultivate.
> >
> >Of course they would not last a month as farmers. They would have to beg
> their
> >way into the indigenous tribes and learn to be hunter gatherers in order
> to
> >survive. Anyone who wants to understand how impossible it would be for
> 99.999%
> >of Americans and Western Europeans to go back only 150 years and start a
> farm in
> >Kansas should read the first couple Laura Engles Wilder books. Those
> people
> >spent their entire lives learning to subsistence farm and that was with
> steel
> >plows and tools.
> >
> >However, having the colonists interbreed with pre-historic humans is the
> only
> >thing about this ending that I didn't mind. It's TVish and hokey but it
> >works thematically. You'd have to be at least in your 40s to remember the
> >"Chariots of the Gods" documentary movie that so influenced the
> >original BSG.  But the ending works at that level.
> >
> >J.
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