(urth) Wolfean theologies

Son of Witz sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
Wed Feb 4 20:04:10 PST 2009

Fair points.
I won't argue, because I don't completely endorse the ideas I  
mentioned, or very well educated about this. I especially agree with  
"there's always room for one more".
Sorry I offended anyone. I certainly did NOT mean to dismiss anyone's  
beliefs. I was only trying to talk about it at the Institutional level  
of Doctrine manipulation, and not what goes on in each believer's  
heart and soul.
My point was that something as seemingly inoffensive as a change of a  
couple of words in the creed can have disastrous affects. It can be,  
and seems to be, a big deal.

On Feb 4, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Matthew Weber wrote:

> First off : clerical sexual abuse is not confined to the  RCC.  If  
> it is more prevalent in the Roman Church (which may or may not be  
> true), it might have more to do with the discipline of celibacy  
> attracting men with sexuality issues than it has with the difference  
> between single or double procession.
> Second : the jurisdictional chaos whose inhabitants affectionately  
> refer to it as "Orthodoxy" has plenty of its own problems, among  
> them (to quote a friend) "willed ignorance of history, the pretense  
> that things always were as the now-dominant party wanted them to be,  
> and the systematic misrepresentation and exclusion of difference."   
> In the end, no ekklesia is perfect; churches are full of hypocrites,  
> but as Bishop Block once said, "There's always room for one more".
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org 
> > wrote:
> I'm not harshing on Catholics,
> I'm harshing on the Catholic Church. Like I might bag on Iran  
> without offense to Iranians.
> I've couched any critique with apologies to Catholics who might be  
> offended.
> I suggested the priest rapists are one step in a chain of errors  
> that result from a doctrinal change.
> Papal infaliability, Celibate Clergy, these are insertions and  
> distortions and they seem to have led to a lot of problems.
> I don't think what i wrote is vomit at all, it's what MANY people  
> feel about the Catholic Church's problems.
> Care to show my how I'm wrong? Lots of people think the Filioque is  
> no big deal, and others think it's The Problem that allows all the  
> others to come in.  I'm happy to learn your argument.
> I'll admit "It's no wonder all that..." should have been stated as  
> "It seems as if all that..."
> ~SonOfWitz
> -- 
> Matt +
> Let early education be a sort of amusement; you will then be better  
> able to find out the natural bent.
> Plato (c. 428-348 B.C.), The Republic, bk. VII, 537
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