(urth) Christ vs Christlike---a follow-up

[David Stockhoff]

I present this recycled post as a follow-up to the thread about comparing Severian to Christ:

Pelagic, as a simple adjective, means oceanic, deep-sea. But there is a
Christian heresy named after Pelagius, a strong rival to Augustine of
Hippo (who nailed down a great deal of Christian doctrine, including
some of the most intractable). The position of Pelagius was that the
doctrine of Grace, as taught by Augustine, was in opposition to the
doctrine of Free Will, and ultimately was productive of moral laxity.
Pelagius was condemned several times (usually by a narrow margin), but
in practice, Western Christianity has wavered between his side and
Augustine's ever since.

The basic points were a rejection of Original Sin (Adam was merely a bad
example); thus there is no need for salvation through Christ as it can
be achieved by one's own efforts (Christ was merely a good example).
Man, not God, is responsible for man's depravity (and Pelagius found
plenty of depravity in Rome), and it is entirely possible for a man,
even before Christ, to be sinless--we can choose our path. Infant
baptism, one of Augustine's most controversial stands (unbaptized babies
were damned, which, to some of us, seems like an extraordinarily
perverse superstition) was rejected. You can check all this out at
length in the online Catholic Encyclopedia.

---Alice Turner, from the archives.

Perhaps this was already mentioned in the recent discussion. But I think it's important to suggest that 
once you accept the theoretical possibility that Christ was not special (regardless of his also being a 
slice of the Increate, since perhaps anyone can be that), you open up a realm of fictive possibility.

Suddenly the chance to tell stories of alternative Christs becomes almost an imperative. How could one 
resist? And Christ becomes a more real person. No longer is a believer (or reader) forced to chose between 
the mythical and the historical figure, otherwise rigidly set against one another. 

And the distinction becomes less critical for TBotNS, as is perhaps whether Christ and Severian can coexist. 
All of myth now can be seen as tales of bad men trying to be good.

David




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