(urth) Fava in the Whorl, and where the Neighbors went
thewynns at earthlink.net
Wed Aug 24 17:36:11 PDT 2005
> is most consistent with everything else we are told. Neighbors
>went to "a [real] new whorl circling another short sun" [in ships,
>possibly FTL,] and return to visit ancestral places on Blue via
Well, actually, the only ships that we are told the Neighbors ever built
were *landers* not starcrossers.
 leaves open the question of where the
> Neighbor bodies are & what they're doing when they're not astral
> travelling. If you explain that using , you've moved into Grand
> Unified Tree Theory territory which I don't believe in,
Perhaps, then, I don't really understand then what the GUTT is. I thought
you were referring to a belief that the trees on Urth were the trees in
Bleen. If that's all it is then I don't know why  insists on that.
>You also have to explain away the Neighbors' lying when they claim
>that they have, in fact, gone away.
Why would that be a lie? "Horn" left his body on Green. Would it be lying to
say he left for Whorl? When the Rajan went to Green and Urth, did he go
> is like the GUTT; I don't
>find a shred of support for it in the text, though it could make a
(shrug) Okay. If someone tells me there is "not a shred of support in the
text" for time-travel, all the readily availabe proof-texting won't change
>is kind of attractive. It would also provide a mechanism for
>Neighbors getting real, physical inhumi onto the Whorl (as they did
>- this is as solid as anything ever is in Wolfe). But I don't know
> of any evidence for it, apart from the IGJ passage mentioned above,
> which doesn't have to imply it.
I would find it very attractive except that the Rajan was *convinced* they
required landers to get to Green.
>Whatever theory you pick has to deal with inhumi-related things:
> - How did the Neighbors get inhumi onto the Whorl? If they don't
> have their own ships, they must either have used undocumented pre-
> Exodus human landers, or something like .
> - How do Neighbors breed new inhumi to sue as mirrors for
> themselves? Either they have undocumented abilities to breed inhumi
> on their new whorl, or they have to be able to ferry inhumi to &
> from Green. In the latter case,  and  again seem to be the
Or their bodies are on Blue and Green with vines growing on them. That would
have the advantage of being documented over and over again.
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