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    <p>Maybe politeness is a question of style and not necessarily
      correlated with an attitude of fundamental human respect. Often it
      is a way to make a distinction between the man of value and the
      worthless man. So it is not an ethical category but a strategic
      and rhetorical one. 18th century France comes to mind: very polite
      and very corrupt. Rudeness was always considered a property of the
      lower orders lacking the refinement of the higher ones. 19th
      century GB considered the proles genetically inferior like colored
      people and racism evolved with biological thinking - as a form of
      ideology not science - and imperialism. So politeness may be not
      only related to political civility but also to exclusion or worse.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 30-1-2020 om 18:10 schreef Charles
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      <div dir="auto">Controlling speech is just one step away from
        controlling thought, which is controlling action. Freedom of
        speech isn't freedom to compliment or placate or agree with the
        majority (or belligerent minority, in this case). It's freedom
        to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. But
        sure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM
          Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <<a href="mailto:danldo@gmail.com"
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            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I'm
              someone who occasionally says some of those rude things.
              I'm old enough to remember when it was "normal". But I
              come down fully on the side of "political correctness",
              or, as it is properly know, <i style="font-weight:bold">politeness</i>.</div>
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                                      <div>Dan'l Danehy-Oakes</div>
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                                          style="color:rgb(60,55,54);font-family:"Open
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                                          yanke lo!</em><br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at
              4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson <<a
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">In
                      my experience, people who complain about having to
                      be “politically correct” are people who want to
                      say rude things and are really complaining about
                      not being allowed to be rude.<br>
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                      Rick</span></p>
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                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Urth [mailto:<a
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                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gem Caccetta<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15
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                          <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe &
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                        style="font-family:Courier">On Wed Jan 29 2020
                        Ab de Dos wrote:</span></p>
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                      <span style="font-family:Courier">"I believe the
                        politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of
                        being a christian misogynist…"</span></p>
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                          style="font-family:"Bookman Old
                          Style",serif">I know Wolfe’s portrayal of
                          women has been discussed many times on this
                          list. I found this tidbit from my recent
                          re-reading of Free Live Free interesting:</span></p>
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                      <span style="font-family:Courier">Free says…”You
                        like women, don’t you, Mr. Barnes?”</span></p>
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                      <span style="font-family:Courier">“Like them?”
                        Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment.
                        “Not really. I want them, and since I can’t have
                        them, usually, I don’t like them. But I want
                        them, I suppose you could say that. I admire
                        Madame Serpentina.”</span></p>
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                          Style",serif">I wouldn’t be surprised if
                          this was Wolfe’s own attitude toward women
                          speaking through Barnes. He could find things
                          to admire in some women, but he didn’t really
                          like them. Just my guess, for what it’s worth.</span></p>
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