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<p>Like so many he 'evolved' from a liberal to a conservative point
of view politically while getting older. Churchill made a famous
remark about this phenomenon but in this case Heinleins fear of
communism and the bomb played probably a larger role. According to
<i>Astounding</i> (by Alec Nevala-Lee) Heinlein went into politics
in 1933 because of his admiration for Upton Sinclair, a
progressive socialist.(page 109) Later on he became an adherent of
Barry Goldwater like Heinlein a libertarian and opponent of the
New Deal. It is ironic that the hippies who were detested by
Heinlein embraced <i>Stranger in a Strange Land</i>.(pages
338-340)</p>
<p>Nevala-Lee's book is informative about Campbell, Ron Hubbard,
Heinlein and Asimov. The whole business of mental technology,
Korzybsky, Dianetics and Scientology, is pretty interesting though
treated indirectly by the author.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Heinlein parallels/satires in The Land Across: Grafton
is Heinlein’s classic “man who learns better” turned
inside out. What Grafton learns is what Heinlein
“learned” in his long career. Heinlein, like Grafton,
starts out as a liberal, (who like Heinlein, loves
travel) and “learns” to love a military dictatorship,
with a mysterious Hitler-like dictator serving as
Heinlein’s “grand old man”.<br>
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Rick Norwood</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Hoy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2020 4:47 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Re: Heinlein's
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<p class="MsoNormal">Appreciating the Heinlein
connections noted by Gem and Gerry; a reminder that
RAH is still relevant in the 21st century, as
Christopher Nuttall might put it.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The interesting bit about the<span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> conveyor belt
roads of Heinlein's The Roads Must Roll is that it
has a precedent, and a much better fit with TLA,
in H.G.Wells' When the Sleeper Awakens (1899).
Wells' title recalls a noticeable sentence in TLA
Chapter One "Now it seems to me that I must have
been asleep a long time before I got into bed"
followed by several "awakenings" throughout TLA.</span></p>
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that Wells and Wolfe each relate the struggle of a
potential ruler of a dystopian society who gets
caught up in a struggle between opposing factions.
I don't think the parallels go much beyond this.
It's a lot like Wolfe's choice of Baskin-Robbins
as an allusion to Andromeda (Messier-31 Flavors)
in An Evil Guest, or the allusion to Boris Badenov
in a conversation at a cafe in TLA, "I don't trust
that conductor. Why is he so short?" to draw
attention to Papa Zenon's lack of stature.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Aramini's
Black-Red-White trichotomy helps us think about a
lot of TLA's mysteries, although I suspect there
is a lot of cloning going on along with the
imprinting of personalities. Imprinting is found
in Home Fires, TLA, A Borrowed Man. There's
cloning/imprinting of some sort in A Borrowed Man,
and I think something similar is happening in The
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Wolfe novel, The Land Across, is, I think
strongly influenced by Heinlein, and
essentially a satire of Heinlein. This is
just my opinion, I’ve never heard anyone
else say this. But the Rolling Roads early
in the novel, which play no other part in
the plot, I take as a hint.</span></p>
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