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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes, Paul has an anti-gay statement. He says that gays are as bad as gossips!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Urth [mailto:urth-bounces@lists.urth.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan'l Danehy-Oakes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Urth Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: (urth) Latro<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually, there is one notable anti-gay statement in the NT, but it's Paul, not Jesus.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And you're right to wonder how many wives the Sanhedrin might have had; Paul says that an elder (presbyter, priest) should have only one.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Lee <<a href="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com" target="_blank">severiansola@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>Dan'l Danehy-Oakes: Not to be argumentative, but, no, Jesus' ministry was *not* an attack on<br>
>Judaism; to the extent that it was an attack at all, it was an attack on<br>
>the hypocrisy of the priestly class. But Jesus did not see himself as<br>
>destroying Judaism ("...not one jot or tittle of the Law shall be taken<br>
>away...") but fulfilling it.<br>
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I won't take it as argument but as a point of discussion. It wasn't the main point of my post, so<br>
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I didn't elaborate. But in fairness I didn't just say "Judaism", I said:<br>
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>Jesus' ministry was an attack on the prevailing Judaic religion of his time.<br>
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By which I meant the practice of Judaism as administered by the priestly class of Judea. The<br>
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Sanhedrin made it clear they weren't happy with Jesus' ministry and considered it a threat. Even<br>
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today, there are certain Christians AND Jews who deny Jesus was jewish.<br>
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I think there were times when the words of Jesus imply he considered his goal to be bringing<br>
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back a lost purity to Judaism. Though the Old Testament consistently implies that the Hebrews were<br>
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a constant disappointment to God. (small wonder that guilt is an important part of being jewish ;- ))<br>
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But other times Jesus seemed to acknowledge that he was bringing something new to the table<br>
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(even if fulfilling ancient prophecy). For some reason Luke 12:51 and Matthew 10-34 come to mind,<br>
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where Jesus notes that he has not come to bring peace but rather division and a sword- setting family<br>
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members against each other, etc.<br>
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I take this as a, if not transparent, then translucent way of Jesus saying that he expected his ministry<br>
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to create divisions between the jews who were doing things the current way vs. those planning to follow<br>
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Jesus and how he expected things to be done differently in the future.<br>
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What changes were expected? No more "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" but rather "turn the other cheek"<br>
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to use the oft-cited example. There are quite a few homophobic statements, acceptance of polygamy,<br>
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glorification of war, use of maiming and dismemberment as legal punshments, etc. in the Old Testament,<br>
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but not in the New Testament.<br>
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So I have to wonder how many wives those Judean priests had......<br>
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