<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>They're self-absorbed to the point of professing not to know what points the person they've been arguing with is defending. Yet they keep arguing!</div><div><br>No dia 15/10/2014, às 15:43, Marc Aramini <<a href="mailto:marcaramini@gmail.com">marcaramini@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">There's an irony here: my understanding of tail chasing is that it describes one being lost in self-absorbed subjectivity - the claim that we can only know the self, falling into the Cartesian trap, assertion of the self and complete inability to extend to the external physical world, is the quintessential act of tail chasing. The entire debate is moot. Scientific types assert that we have accomplished much in understanding the mechanism of the world even if we cannot manipulate it at the subatomic level with reliability, unscientific types assert, hey man ... what do we really know? As it turns out, ridiculous, incredible amounts that can be reliably replicated even with variable conditions. Ultimately ... whatever.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Dave Lebling <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dlebling@hyraxes.com" target="_blank">dlebling@hyraxes.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">What then are those two points and why are the responses to it tail-chasing? Making such a claim without explicating it is less than helpful.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Dave</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:29 AM, António Pedro Marques <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:entonio@gmail.com" target="_blank">entonio@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Your discussions remain meaningless, and, quite frankly, boring, while you don't clarify what point of view you are defending. Lee is making two separate points (which have some points of contact) while most of the rest of you are chasing your tails. Please, first think what your point is, then check in what way it is even relevant to the discussion, and only then proceed to explain it.<br>
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