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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><p class="MsoNormal">Math is universal in the same way that the physics of our
universe (which is based in observations describable mathematically)</p><p class="MsoNormal">is
universal. In other words, math and
physics apply in every corner of the universe just as they do in our tiny
corner. If one were </p><p class="MsoNormal">to make the
conjecture that some area of the observable universe did not abide by the
strictures of physical law or mathematical</p><p class="MsoNormal">logic then one would have to explain
(1) how they made this observation, (2) how one could confirm the observation without</p><p class="MsoNormal">resorting to the use of mathematics and (3) how it is that one part of the universe
could be exempt from laws and principles that,</p><p class="MsoNormal">I think we can all agree apply in
great swathes of the universe, while not directly influencing those areas at
the immediate border </p><p class="MsoNormal">between the regions.
Part of the problem appears to be that some will invoke different
periods of *time* as possibly not beholden </p><p class="MsoNormal">to mathematical/physical
universality. However, this is
fallacious because mathematics requires a universe that is at least partially </p><p class="MsoNormal">divided and not uniform. Pre-Big Bang,
the universe was undifferentiated at best and wholly unknowable at worst. Only after the </p><p class="MsoNormal">singularity became less than infinitely
dense (which is a fancy way of saying the universe became more than Nothing) does </p><p class="MsoNormal">mathematics/physics as a tool have anything to “wrench on” so to speak. This is because they are tools only useful
when there *is* interaction. </p><p class="MsoNormal">Likewise
the heat-death scenario our ever-expanding universe seems hell-bent on
achieving will create a universe of no </p><p class="MsoNormal">interaction (and thus physics or mathematics
will be rendered useless by the conditions then pertaining). Which is not to say</p><p class="MsoNormal">that mathematics/physics
will not be able to point out the very fact of their uselessness in the extreme
edges of the universe’s temporal </p><p class="MsoNormal">spectrum.
What’s more, individualized areas of the universe where
mathematics/physics break down (black holes, perhaps other </p><p class="MsoNormal">phenomena), do not
require that we abandon their universality, but merely acknowledge that black
holes for example at some point </p><p class="MsoNormal">cease to provide nuts and bolts in our universe. (Beyond the event horizon we can still “observe”
things by referencing Hawking radiation </p><p class="MsoNormal">but at some point, our lights go dark).
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