<div dir="ltr">Question: Given that time travel is the only "real" connection between the two, what is to say that the universe of Long/Short Sun is the same iteration as that of New Sun? Perhaps L/SS is our universe.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Lee <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com" target="_blank">severiansola@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">>Gerry Quinn: Well, you did ask what could be the purpose of<br>
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>introducing an iterated universe, and this is an in-text reason<br>
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>for it.<br>
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It was meant more rhetorically to address the thread topic, but okay.<br>
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>he makes it clear that this (Urth as past iteraton) is the sort of idea<br>
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>that he was considering. I don't think it necessarily establishes that<br>
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>he intended it to be unambiguously determinable from the text.<br>
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Agreed, in similar fashion to the other recent topic, Dr. Marsch being<br>
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replaced by an abo. As discussed, that was an ambiguous point until the<br>
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Wolfe interview confirmed it. I find the Jordan interview to be confirming<br>
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on this issue.<br>
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>I don't see anything much in the text that<br>
>pushes us towards understanding it as a past iteration.<br>
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Agreed. In this case I find the interview to be the most compelling<br>
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evidence for it and the text serving as confirmation. (I'm pretty<br>
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sure Wolfe mentions the past iteration idea in other interviews also.<br>
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I'll try to find them if anyone is interested).<br>
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>He might have chosen this to avoid contrasting the Conciliator with a<br>
>past Incarnation.<br>
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On first reading, it is very possible to confuse the Conciliator with Jesus<br>
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who did serve to present a bridge of conciliation between those of heaven and<br>
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those of earth. But, by the end of Citadel, we can be pretty sure The<br>
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Concilliator is Severian and UotNS confirms that.<br>
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>If so, though, it seems to me he changed his mind between New Sun and Long Sun.<br>
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Is this because of what Marc notes as the Catholic trappings of Silk's religion?<br>
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Or the vision of the Jesus-like figure? Both?<br>
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Until told by him otherwise, I must assume Gene Wolfe intended to be consistent<br>
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in his transition from New Sun to Long Sun and Short Sun. Thus, Urth, The Whorl<br>
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and all of Briah are not in our universe but a past iteration. God (the Outsider)<br>
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appears in this universe as Dionysian and pre-Christian rather than Jehovian and<br>
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Christian. Crosses and priestly confessions and Jesus-figures may appear but they<br>
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are not (yet) related to Christ.<br>
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(I would not rule out that Silk's vision of the Jesus-figure was actually<br>
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Jesus Christ of Earth but if so, he would be an example of Marc's "leakage"<br>
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between universes, much as Urth's "Typhon" and Green's vampiric "Inhumi" have<br>
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leaked from Briah to our own myths and legends)<br>
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