<div dir="ltr"><div>Yes, we need to see the goal mankind strives toward, the real point of Severian's narrative, transcendence into something else and the yesodis. </div><div><br></div><div>If all these characters have access to previous iterations and cycles and knowledge, then what is the real difference in cycles of creation and merely traveling through time? God can reach through them as easily as Jonas, one would imagine, and Christ either valid for creation or not. Otherwise the yesodis and even Jonas have access to powers denied to the Increate. Is Christ then the only one bound into cycles? One would imagine the cycles would not allow such leakage of Lewis Caroll if God himself is limited to a particular cycle.</div><div><br></div><div>(Of course with this argument I have backed myself into a theological corner - why couldn't Christ have saved all those who came before him if God is truly outside of time? That's okay though - let's keep it SFnal.)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Gerry Quinn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gerry@bindweed.com" target="_blank">gerry@bindweed.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><span><br>
On 10/09/2014 13:09, Lee wrote:<br>
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>From my perspective, if Urth is not in a different universe than Earth then I don't see any purpose in Wolfe introducing the sequential universe model in Citadel of the Autarch. Why bring up other universes if we aren't ever going to see them and everything happens right here in our universe?<br>
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To explain the Yesodi.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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- Gerry Quinn</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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