I like it, but there is and always has been a syncretic symbolism in new sun between water, healing, and death that undercuts this baptism imagery a bit. It's not just baptism, it is healing coupled with death. He heals the sick at Thrax in the water cataract stumbling three times with terminus est - water imagery is turned into both healing and death- it is the flood and the crucifixion of urth, renewal through drowning. Over and over water is rebirth. Not for abaia, I don't think, but the link between the flood of genesis and the apocalypse of eschatology. Water is always linked to healing, death, and resurrection from the very start and presages the flood of renewal. I don't think Vodalus is important enough with his false coin to warrant a confirmation before sev gets his diabolical Eucharist. Usually confirmation is fully adult - I wouldn't expect it right after the baptism unless we had an adult convert. ( Wolfe may have been, BUT ...)<br>
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<div style="font:normal 12.960000038146973px Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:13px">My third post at the Urth list.</span></div><div><div>Thanks you, Gerry Quinn and Lee, for your comments and observations at my first posts.</div>
<div><br></div><div>My point: the double resurrection in Chapter I of Shadow of Torturer states a connection between Severian and the the dark-haired woman, just dead.</div><div><br></div><div>Next.</div><div>When Severian is resurrected from water by the Undine, he is baptised in the form of a baptism by immersion, unconsciously entering the congregation of the subjects of Abaia. </div>
<div>In the same day, Severian is confirmed in the allegiance to Abaia when he accepts the coin with the face of the Autarch from Vodalus, this time consciously making definitive the choice the Undine made for him at the baptism. </div>
<div>The Confirmation administered by Vodalus makes Severian a "Soldier of Abaia" (Severian thinks himself a Vodalarius). Soldier is a derivation of Solidarius, Latin meaning someone who works for money. Solidare in Latin means "to pay" and the Roman soldiers were paid in "Solidi". Severian instead is paid in chrisos (only one).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Later, in the Claw of Conciliator, Severian will receive the sacrament of Eucharist in the form of the flesh of Thecla.</div><div>The succession of sacraments follows the tradition of the Eastern Orthodox Church rather than the Roman Catholic Church (where Eucharist is very close to Confirmation).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Next post: Catherine and the Undine</div><div><br></div><div>Marco Cecchini, from Italy (sorry for my sloppy english).</div></div></div>
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