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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/20/2013 12:01 PM, Michael Thayer
wrote:<br>
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<div>>David Stockhoff: It's possible that only he can see
it, but . . . (b) the wildlife find it easily enough . . .</div>
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<div>My reading is quite the contrary one. We are told that the
wildlife cannot "hear" or "scent" Severian as he watches them
through the mausloeum window, though some animals come "two
cubits from [his] face." Shadow, 12. <br>
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I actually don't think that is terribly remarkable---that's how
blinds work. They can't see him if he doesn't move and Severian
himself seems in a kind of stasis. But that is a good point. <br>
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<div>>David Stockhoff: Another point that just occurred to
me. We do need to follow Occam's Razor. Therefore,<br>
---Any theory that proposes something as complicated as, say,
a<br>
laboratory hidden in time that has cloning and mind-control
technology<br>
and that grows and programs cloned puppets to insert them into<br>
manipulated time streams is just too complicated.<br>
---A coffin-corpse mausoleum theory only needs to explain how
corpses<br>
get in. A clone-storage mausoleum theory needs to explain not
only how<br>
they got in, but how they will get out. And besides, any
mechanism that<br>
could do both probably would not need clone storage in the
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<div>I agree with your method. The only question is whether a
hidden clone laboratory dislocated in time is the simplest
explanation. For instance, it would be a mistake to conclude
that the Citadel is a traditional citadel rather than a
spaceport just because the citadel is the simpler explanation
of the two. In tBotnS, a castle tower is not a castle
tower at all, but a space rocket. A poor traveler is not a
poor traveler, but a marooned robot from the distant past with
a human face grafted onto his metallic body. A
two-headed demonic monster is not a two-headed demonic
monster, but a former intergalactic hegemon who has had his
head surgically grafted onto another's body to extend his own
biological viability. Witches (a witch at least, the
Cumaen) and sirens (Juturna and the other undines) are not
witches and sirens, but space aliens meddling in human
affairs. A divine prophet from the past is not a divine
prophet from the past, but a machine-projected time-traveler
recently returned from beyond this solar system. The entire
conceit of the novel is that the setting appears to be that
of ancient myth and medieval high fantasy, but it is in fact a
far future hyper-techno space age. In light of this, I think
we should exercise caution in slicing away,
Occam-style, the possibility that a mausoleum is something
more than a mausoleum, especially where that mausoleum is
imbued with such import and strangeness.</div>
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That's a very good point. There's no doubt that things are named in
BNA according to what we might call their "essential" nature, not
their "true" nature. Yes, the Citadel was a spaceport, and yes, the
mausoleum could be other than a mausoleum. It could have been built
as something else before there was a necropolis there. (It could
have been the hut of Apu-Punchau.) The coffins could be other than
coffins, although they are too large to be creches. Severian does
not notice any difference between it and other buildings there, and
it is described as a simple stone building:<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Rather, it was <o:p></o:p>the smallness of
the room, the thick walls of masonry,
and the single, narrow <o:p></o:p></p>
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faithless door
(so massively heavy) <o:p></o:p>that remained eternally ajar.<o:p></o:p></p>
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But if it predated the necropolis, we need to explain why was it not
desecrated, whether as a tomb or a cloning storage facility.
Severian refers to it as "violated" and calls the three closed ones
"intact" as though all five once contained corpses, a natural
assumption that would not be subverted by the three-Sevs-out theory
but that IS subverted by the three-Sevs-in theory.<br>
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And if it was not the first building, then why was it placed deep in
a necropolis? Making it hidden certainly takes care of these
problems, but if it is a hidden zone, it could have been hidden
anywhere. It doesn't need to be isolated.<br>
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Moving on, why are the coffins made as bronze sarcophagi molded to
Severian's features like those in medieval churches? That might be
good camouflage against people fearing vampires (although they would
be just as likely to think a sleeping clone a saint), but not
against people who rob mausoleums. If the place is hidden to all but
Severian, why are they disguised at all?<br>
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